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Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:59 am
by UWSaint
The play that stood out to me in the game against Florida was this Mikkola hit on Sure Wood. https://youtu.be/gQ3I21h4cz8?si=EkOr8uddXBkbSb3Q

That looked to me like boarding AND and an elbow and a hit to the head (I think). (Mikkola's wings were high all night, but that was the most egregious hit). Sure Wood is not the guy to stay down and cry, and he may have thought "I'm on the #1 unit with Garly out, if I stay here too long, the spotter will send me to the cuckoo room."

Myers responds with gloves off; Mikkola takes his off, but no punches are thrown. They sort of lock up for a second and the linesmen get involved. Because there was no fight, there is no fight instigated. But the refs line up Myers for a 4 minute major, so with Mikkola's boarding call and roughing call, its evened up.

Now it was hard to get mad at the 4 minute roughing call given the zebras ringed up a Florida player for 4 minutes on an equally docile post-whistle encounter (while the Canuck involved got 2). File in two categories, each worthy of discussion in this thread: (1) refs are using the double minor to deter post-whistle scrums (query, should they deter this? At all? Only when the game is getting out of hand?), and (2) even-ing up of the injustices (query, should refs change standards based on whether they are aware of previous missed calls or mistaken calls?).

But regardless of those questions, you are left looking at a situation where a guy can hit another player in a manner that violates three rules, all of which exist to protect players from injury as opposed to penalties in the books to make for a more skilled game (e.g., tripping, hooking, interference, and Giraffe stepping in like a herbivore not a carnivore and they are even? At first blush, that hit on Sherwood looked like a major penalty to me -- the refs have to get used to the fact that they can review them after they call them, and there is no shame in reversing oneself if the video doesn't support a major. (Another topic -- should more major penalties be called....). Plus, Sherwood is a star player. His name is on the damn sticks. :lol:

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:29 am
by donlever
Yeah...that's an ugly hit.

If they don't want them to fight to manage these issues then yes, more majors should be called.

Does someone have to end up in a wheel chair?

Or die?

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:18 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
donlever wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:29 am If they don't want them to fight to manage these issues then yes, more majors should be called.
I'm not convinced of the sincerity of them not wanting fights to manage these issues. I think they just want some sort of a fig leaf. It is why I have reluctantly concluded that the Canucks need more team capacity in this respect.

But I'd rather they just enforced the rules. At least the safety rules, if not the competition rules.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:09 pm
by donlever
Leagues getting pretty soft.

Approaching toe in the crease neighborhood again....

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DRQpt-9DEpc ... l4dWt6aQ==

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:52 pm
by Cornuck
UWSaint wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:59 am the refs have to get used to the fact that they can review them after they call them, and there is no shame in reversing oneself if the video doesn't support a major. (Another topic -- should more major penalties be called....).
Donnie wrote:If they don't want them to fight to manage these issues then yes, more majors should be called.
Yes, I think it's a bit of the refs getting used to the "major reversal" rules - and also, Yes - there should be more called to see if it acts as a deterrent.

Either take the cheap shots out of the game, or expect more fights. (Same discussion everyone's had since 2000?)

It's a hard game to ref, and the league is allowing more leeway, so start training them better.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:30 pm
by Meds
donlever wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:09 pm Leagues getting pretty soft.

Approaching toe in the crease neighborhood again....

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DRQpt-9DEpc ... l4dWt6aQ==
I do prefer the hard and fast rule as it takes interpretation out of it.....when things are left up to the refs to decide it gets murky and inconsistent. I believe it was you, Donny, who was pointing to the NFL refs and asking when was the last time they decided to reinterpret the rules to "control the game"

The example in your link however.....utter bullshit. Thompson's toe brushed the red border of the crease, and he was actually well clear and below the goal line when Dahlin released his shot. If the shot had been taken while he was "toe-ing the line" then there's an argument to be made in a league where the rules are called hard and fast. That is not the case here. I'm shocked by that one considering the on-ice official pointed "goal".

The top-down angle (not in your instagram link) shows Thompson's body leaning well over the crease, I'm assuming that is why the call.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2025 11:26 pm
by donlever

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 12:58 am
by Meds
Fuuuuuck.

That was ugly. No excuses there. Mikko goes to Dallas and cowboys up playing hockey like it’s a fucking rodeo.

Twice in three games. Time for the league to just lay it heavy. I’d give him 5 games.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 7:38 am
by donlever

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 8:34 am
by Cornuck
donlever wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 7:38 am Lol
This RATanen cat...

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 8:38 am
by donlever
So it would appear.

The antithesis of our rat.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:11 am
by donlever
Rantanen has been auto-suspended for 1 game due to 2 GM's within 3 games (2 GM's in 41 games is the rule resulting in an auto 1 gamer).

Be interesting to see if a star player on a "Star" team gets anything else.

Is the leagues desire to eliminate hits like these good, bad or ugly?

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 2:09 pm
by Meds
donlever wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:11 am Be interesting to see if a star player on a "Star" team gets anything else.
:lol:

I see wot…..

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 5:06 pm
by donlever
Romanov out 6 months as a result of being RATanened.

Re: The Ref & League Discipline Thread - The Good, Bad and Ugly

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2025 6:16 pm
by Meds
donlever wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 5:06 pm Romanov out 6 months as a result of being RATanened.
I suspect that could factor into the decision regarding his latest infraction.