The Rebuild...

[Mickey107]

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More experienced driver might help too. With the rebuild that is.

[Richardstroker69]

Just considering the 're-build' and where we are today and what is a reasonable time line for a rebuild.

JB was brought on-board after the 2013-14 season where we finished 36-35-11 (bye Loungo and bye Kesler). He re-tooled and the following season, 14-15, the Canucks finished 48-29-5 and made a quick departure in the first round of play-offs to Calgary. The following 3 seasons, 15-16, 16-17, and 17-18, the Canucks finished no better than 31-38-13, now this season appears to be in the same ilk as the last 4.

If i recall correctly, JB never acknowledged actually pursuing a rebuild until late in the 15-16 season. So here we are in the 18-19 season - 3 years into the rebuild. So what do u think, what's a reasonable time span for a rebuild? How long does mgt. put up with being on the losing side of the ledger? In each of those losing years we should be able count on high draft picks sticking with the club. Might we also have the expectation of accumulating a few quality free agents as well (not talking about Eriksson here)?

So next season is year 4 of the rebuild you have to believe that the gig will be up - neither ownership nor long-suffering fans should have to endure any more of the sub-par bleah that we've been fed. Ole JB needs to be behind a turn of the tide so-to-speak or he's gone - but this is just my opinion. What do others believe is a reasonable time period for orchestrating a rebuild?

Rebuilds happen quicker when you get a first overall. Benning never got close to a pick like that. Look at Winnipeg, they’ve sucked forever, but I think we should see a marked improvement next year.

[Cornuck]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

[5thhorseman]

It would be nice to get a first overall pick, but I wouldn't sweat it if we don't get one. Look through the list; there's a ton of guys drafted first who never got near a Stanley Cup final round.

[Mickey107]

I sometimes wonder what may have been if the "lockout" of 94/95 had not occurred.

[rats19]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

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[Blob Mckenzie]

It would be nice to get a first overall pick, but I wouldn't sweat it if we don't get one. Look through the list; there's a ton of guys drafted first who never got near a Stanley Cup final round.

I feel like Petey is a first overall talent. Elmer’s just got to slash the deadweight off the roster and add picks and prospects. And he can’t stub his toe in the top 10 anymore. Look at the Jets. Chevy hasn’t had a first round flop in 8 or 9 years. They just keep drafting quality players.

[Carl Yagro]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

Rebuilds happen quicker when you get a first overall. Benning never got close to a pick like that. Look at Winnipeg, they’ve sucked forever, but I think we should see a marked improvement next year.

So, you guys are saying a 3 year rebuild isn't really that long comparatively speaking.

Aqua certainly didn't fire Gillis to rebuild. And he certainly DID NOT hire Torts with a rich 5 year contract to rebuild.

Then he didn't hire Linden the goodwill ambassador to fire Torts with 4 years remaining after a disastrous year to rebuild. And he wouldn't have hired ANY management team to rebuild because the family always has playoff revenues in their sights. Anyone really think that any incoming GM would say "Nah, Francesco, I'm going to do what's good for you and blow this thing up" after he got hired? Seriously?

Do you get hired for a job, then show up to do the exact opposite of the job description?

Then after the terrible Canuck Luck where a weak team managed to eke into the playoffs only to be dusted by the Flames, Aqua was probably very disappointed but still didn't outwardly support a rebuild.

It was only until recently (after ousting Linden) that you heard the horse actually say to the supporters that they like their youth and need to preach patience... the same owner who didn't like Trev's message about patience.

So, if you looked at the real direction (the Aquas), it certainly hasn't been that long compared to some other teams that are still rebuilding. There's some really dire areas (cough, defencemen) but even fans can admit we're a team on the upswing.

Sure, it's 50 years, but that is the Hockey Gods' test for us.

RE: Winnipeg. That is an incredible record of successful 1st round picks which is definitely not the norm or league average. Something to try to model but who's to say anyone can model that? You have to be both good and lucky... and that's not the Canucks

[Per]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

We had a championship team in 2011, but got robbed.

[Blob Mckenzie]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

We had a championship team in 2011, but got robbed.

We got outscored 23-8 in 7 games

[Chef Boi RD]

It would be nice to get a first overall pick, but I wouldn't sweat it if we don't get one. Look through the list; there's a ton of guys drafted first who never got near a Stanley Cup final round.

I feel like Petey is a first overall talent. Elmer’s just got to slash the deadweight off the roster and add picks and prospects. And he can’t stub his toe in the top 10 anymore. Look at the Jets. Chevy hasn’t had a first round flop in 8 or 9 years. They just keep drafting quality players.

Nicolaj “Mason Raymond, 5’-11” 170 lbs, always injured, shitty in the playoffs” Ehlers

Laine? Where did he go? 113th in scoring

[Blob Mckenzie]

Ehlers has a grand total of 15 playoff games and 7 points. But yeah he’s always shitty in the playoffs

Laine is an immature kid. Still might score 40 this year. But hey we got Razor Thin Olaf from that draft. He might suit up in 2021.

[Mickey107]

As for the whole "rebuild" - I feel I've been watching a 50 (SO) year rebuild. Or is it a "Build" - since we really haven't built a championship team, yet?

We had a championship team in 2011, but got robbed.

We got outscored 23-8 in 7 games

I hate his contract too. Still.

[Ronning's Ghost]

Aqua certainly didn't fire Gillis to rebuild. And he certainly DID NOT hire Torts with a rich 5 year contract to rebuild.

Then he didn't hire Linden the goodwill ambassador to fire Torts with 4 years remaining after a disastrous year to rebuild. And he wouldn't have hired ANY management team to rebuild because the family always has playoff revenues in their sights. Anyone really think that any incoming GM would say "Nah, Francesco, I'm going to do what's good for you and blow this thing up" after he got hired? Seriously?

Do you get hired for a job, then show up to do the exact opposite of the job description?

Then after the terrible Canuck Luck where a weak team managed to eke into the playoffs only to be dusted by the Flames, Aqua was probably very disappointed but still didn't outwardly support a rebuild.

It was only until recently (after ousting Linden) that you heard the horse actually say to the supporters that they like their youth and need to preach patience... the same owner who didn't like Trev's message about patience.

So, if you looked at the real direction (the Aquas)...

That the Little Eagles, or possibly Linden, are the real authors of the "re-tool on the fly" folly is widely accepted here, (except, perhaps, by those who maintain that rebuild actually started with Benning's arrival), but do we have any evidence to support that idea? Is it not just as likely that Benning, with a canny sense of what his prospective employers wanted to hear, told them in his interview "Don't listen to those other guys; you don't have to do a rebuild. I can get this team back into contention next year with a few off-season moves" ?

RE: Winnipeg. That is an incredible record of successful 1st round picks which is definitely not the norm or league average. Something to try to model but who's to say anyone can model that? You have to be both good and lucky... and that's not the Canucks

Overall, drafting 18 year-olds is tricky and fraught with uncertainty, but in the top 10 positions, seemingly less so. Certainly, some teams manage to wiff, but even notoriously poor drafter Mike Gillis got it right in his only attempt. If Winnipeg can manage it consistently, then it would seem to be within the ability of a hockey management genius.

[SKYO]

It would be nice to get a first overall pick, but I wouldn't sweat it if we don't get one. Look through the list; there's a ton of guys drafted first who never got near a Stanley Cup final round.

I feel like Petey is a first overall talent. Elmer’s just got to slash the deadweight off the roster and add picks and prospects. And he can’t stub his toe in the top 10 anymore. Look at the Jets. Chevy hasn’t had a first round flop in 8 or 9 years. They just keep drafting quality players.

Yeah the Jets had a rough first SIX years with one playoff appearance losing 1st round.

Then lucked out in the 2016 draft lotto (Canucks had 11.5% to pick 1st, Jets 7.5% they were 6th last in the league [ironically where the Canucks currently are] ) - they won the 2nd overall - moving up to draft Patrik Laine - a year later they go on a superb playoff run to lose to Vegas in conference finals.

2016 draft lotto odds: https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2016 ... puljujarvi