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Topper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2025 10:38 am Is anything actual said in this clip?

https://x.com/junonewscom/status/1892311499114238429

I can use big words like cardboardbox. See.

To paraphrase, If the government would just spend more in the right areas, we will all be richer. Oh, and trust me. I will give you the details later. He skipped the part that everything other government that has tried this has ruined their country.. And his last point was he was part of 7 bad budgets, but the next one will be great.

“We built a budget, but it sank into the swamp. We built a 2nd budget, but it burned, and sank into the swamp. So, we built a 3rd budget, and a 4th, 5th 6th, and 7th, but they too burned and sank into the swamp. But the 8th budget!”

rikster wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:20 pm

I like what PP says he is going to do. I guess we'll see how many of those things he can actually get done if he gets in. It has nothing to do with qualifications. You seem to be stuck on that for some reason, when you are missing the point that it is policy that should dictate how you vote - not how many degrees the leader has. PP will have plenty of advisors who are very qualified, so his personal qualifications aren't as important to me as what he stands for. As I said, Carney is a lying sack of shit and isn't someone I trust.

Did you forget Poilievre trying to pin the oil price collapse of 2014 on Trudeau who wasn't elected until November of 2015?

Or his other issues with the truth?

If lying is a river too wide for you at least be consistant...

Well, we have seen a master at work the past 9 years. Trudeau started as a master. PP still sucks at it. Is that a bad thing?

I don't share your optimism with the Conservative Shadow Government, if anything it is woefully inept and wonder if you've taken the time to look at it?

It’s hard to be an effective opposition when you have a government that has done everything imaginable, and then some to avoid accountability and transparency, and has had a media that supports the government because it has been bought and paid for. Yet, finally, PP has been proven right on both the scandals, and the Liberals atrocious economic policies. Even Carney agrees with the ineptitude of the LIberals economically.

Resume's are critical, especially when you have someone who has experience navigating thru multiple crisis similar to the one facing Canada today...

So,I assume you have never voted for Trudeau? Ever? And, who, exactly has experience navigating thru multiple crisis similar to the one facing Canada today...???? Carney’s resume with the BoC and Bank of England are not great by any means. Print money, and leave early was his MO.

Who do you want at the table negotiating trade agreements and ways countries can work together to combat America's attack on Canada? Outside Someone who has a relationship with most of the leaders or a raw rookie?

I’ll skip the cheap shot of meeting them all at Epstein Island. But, both have similar levels. PP dealt with governments while Carney dealt with banks and corporations. Marginal advantage to Carney on experience, but was he any good at it?

As for his campaign pledges, they are elementary school stuff and lack any depth...

How do you rate Carney’s pledges? Kindergarten sand box after the kittens played in it?

Poilievre has flushed out a pretty well defined agenda considering there is no election call yet. Outside of saying Trudeau was wrong on most everything, and he will change the carbon tax using smoke and mirrors, only because it is unpopular, what are Carney’s policies?

The disgraced, corrupt and fired head of the Green Slush Fund who gifted her company millions of slush fund cash, backs Carney

It was the Liberal refusal to hand over interacted documents from the slush fund to Parliament that brought the House to a standstill last fall as the Speaker rules no other business could be heard until that was settled.

Ultimately Trudeau cited the deadlock in the House as his reason to prorogue, though he and his colleagues have also said the reason was due to the Liberal leadership race. Expect the court ruling on that possibly this week.

Tciso wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:37 pm
I’ll skip the cheap shot of meeting them all at Epstein Island. But, both have similar levels. PP dealt with governments while Carney dealt with banks and corporations. Marginal advantage to Carney on experience, but was he any good at it?

How do you rate Carney’s pledges? Kindergarten sand box after the kittens played in it?

Poilievre has flushed out a pretty well defined agenda considering there is no election call yet. Outside of saying Trudeau was wrong on most everything, and he will change the carbon tax using smoke and mirrors, only because it is unpopular, what are Carney’s policies?

This is impressive stuff. Not in a good way, but it is impressive. Congratulations, you're also a retard. It's not that bad, really. You're either completely with it, or you buy every story the media peddles like a trained dog.

For the record, I hate absolutely every single fucking candidate in this farce of what we Canadians can cobble together to pretend to call our brightest rather than a fucking who can shill to elite wealth the most polite contest? I'd say it's a joke but look who the Americans elected.

I will never bring myself to vote for someone who has to have his fucking wife speak for him in front of his constituents after continually letting them dictate the narrative. Either get her to run or let it be known he was emotionally castrated as a child and needs to give his balls a tug.

That's the guy you want negotiating with Trump? We'd fold faster than Czechoslovakia in 1939 and you fucking know it, ya coward.

DC: Not necessarily directed at you, but the royal you. I'll dump so you can dunk, greatest one-two punch in Canadian history Diefenbaker-Pearson. Two different world views, but approached it the same way which I think is the Canadian way. Chretien-Martin wasn't bad economically, but they basically let HW and Clinton have the wheel far too often. I did support the war on Terror lock step, because it was the only available option.W hich is a stupid kind of smart. I think Trump's wont to close the border actually resulted in the form of a favour.

To me the only logical option is the illogical option. But then again, 'ol Ham's been doing that his whole life. What's one more for ol time sakes? I mean, yer dude grew up on Grapes tapes, and yer dude was all in. I do not support war, but I understand in fighting for what you believe in. So I'll ask you this...(Dark Knight)

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN

He gets his Venezuelan wife to talk a few times a year to remind the press that he is neither anti-immigrant nor racist.

What do I believe in? Personal responsibility and freedom. Less government and less taxes. Having a citizenship that is affluent enough to look after themselves without needing government programs. Open and transparent government that is legally unable to avoid accountability. Removing government roadblocks that limit our businesses and throttle our economy. Government that does not compete with the private sector.

I know I have a bias. A lot of it comes from watching my mom suffer when she had terminal cancer. Her brain tumor paralyzed one side of her body for the last 6 months of her life, and there wasn't a single government agency, or charity/support group that could ever lend an electric wheelchair for her to have a sliver of lifestyle. On top of it, her 5 20-something kids were all still too broke to cough up the $5k to buy one and still pay our own rent.

So, either give me the support I need, or let me have the ability to provide it myself.

For the past 55 years, our governments have done neither.

Well, we have seen a master at work the past 9 years. Trudeau started as a master. PP still sucks at it. Is that a bad thing?

So lying isn't a bridge too far for you, its just whether you are a good liar or if you suck at it?

And who cares about JT?

So,I assume you have never voted for Trudeau? Ever? And, who, exactly has experience navigating thru multiple crisis similar to the one facing Canada today...???? Carney’s resume with the BoC and Bank of England are not great by any means. Print money, and leave early was his MO.

I've been pretty clear that I have been a sustaining donor to the Conservative Party for years and have been fortunate enough to attend private events on the campaign trail with Stephen Harper so to answer your question, no I have never voted for Trudeau...

When the Party chose PP to be its leader, I moved away from the Party and became an Independent because I considered the choice between PP and JT as a choice between dumb and dumber...

If you look at PP's track record it reeks of ho hum while living in the shadows and even then he made enough blunders to feel the wrath of Harper....

He's displayed bad judgement on a number of occasions and has had to walk back comments he's made numerous times...

I'm a right of centre conservative while Skippy is a far right populist who likes to hang out with the fringe elements in the Party and in society...

He's a bad candidate and unless you start telling me why I'm wrong instead of deflecting back to JT at every turn, we are going to have to agree to disagree...

Carney's history of money printing is very worry some. More so though is his environmental agenda. His plans with the carbon tax are to shift the burden to industry at a time our neighbour to the south is looking a reducing business taxes, Carney is looking to raise them. This will lead to more business and investment leaving Canada as he did with his own company.

To prevent this, are the "Investments, not spending" he talks of the same as Trudeau's EV and battery tax holidays and subsidies to directly compete with the US lower taxes? I imagine so.

His ties to the environmental movement are a non starter. His wife and Butts work for the same firm and Butts is advising his campaign. Guillbault is a big fan.

He has waffled on transfer payments to Provinces. Is his plan to reduce federal spending by shifting the burden to the Provinces? He hasn't been clear on that saying one thing in English and another in French and later saying he needs to tighten up his messaging without tightening up his messaging. It smacks of Trudeau's grand announcements but forgetting the follow through.

He is little different than the man he wants to replace.

On Trudeau, he has promised Ukraine 25 more useless light vehicles, barrels to be shot in. Oddly he wants to supply F-16 simulators and defense systems. These will face US export restrictions and if Trump is holding back aid to Ukraine, these will never be delivered.

Twenty five pick up trucks - we've got your back.

rikster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:44 am

Well, we have seen a master at work the past 9 years. Trudeau started as a master. PP still sucks at it. Is that a bad thing?

So lying isn't a bridge too far for you, its just whether you are a good liar or if you suck at it?

And who cares about JT?

So,I assume you have never voted for Trudeau? Ever? And, who, exactly has experience navigating thru multiple crisis similar to the one facing Canada today...???? Carney’s resume with the BoC and Bank of England are not great by any means. Print money, and leave early was his MO.

I've been pretty clear that I have been a sustaining donor to the Conservative Party for years and have been fortunate enough to attend private events on the campaign trail with Stephen Harper so to answer your question, no I have never voted for Trudeau...

When the Party chose PP to be its leader, I moved away from the Party and became an Independent because I considered the choice between PP and JT as a choice between dumb and dumber...

If you look at PP's track record it reeks of ho hum while living in the shadows and even then he made enough blunders to feel the wrath of Harper....

He's displayed bad judgement on a number of occasions and has had to walk back comments he's made numerous times...

I'm a right of centre conservative while Skippy is a far right populist who likes to hang out with the fringe elements in the Party and in society...

He's a bad candidate and unless you start telling me why I'm wrong instead of deflecting back to JT at every turn, we are going to have to agree to disagree...

They all lie. Carney has lied several times already. So, obviously you are OK with lying too.

Instead of telling you how you are wrong again, how about you tell me how you are right?

They all lie. Carney has lied several times already. So, obviously you are OK with lying too.

You're the one who stood on a soap box and decried Carney for lying, when it was pointed out that PP has been caught lying you changed your moral high ground to its ok if you aren't a good liar?

I've spent most of my time explaining why in my judgement Carney is the better choice, its time you do the same on behalf of PP without bringing JT into the discussion...

Carney has such close ties to trudeau, they can not be separated. Carney himself ties his role as an advisor to the Trudeau government to the resume he and you flout.

Time magazine called him “whip-smart,” Readers Digest named him “most trusted” Canadian, and the British Chancellor famously hailed him “the outstanding central banker of his generation” while snapping him up for the Bank of England and lavishing both praise and a level of remuneration never before seen at either institution.

In an informal survey by The Canadian Press of a wide sampling of Canadian economists from the banking sector, think-tanks, and academia, Carney garners strong marks, but nothing resembling the plaudits from foreigners.

The consensus grade was A-, in a range from B- to A.

“He’s at the top of the class of global central bankers,” says Craig Wright, chief economist with the Royal Bank, giving him an A grade. “When you look at the some of the creativity that is now being copied in some parts of the globe, like his forward guidance, his work on financial stability, it would be hard to find many central bankers who have done a better job.”

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:14 am Carney's history of money printing is very worry some.

Holt gives Carney – or the institution written large – even more credit for not following the U.S., England and Japan into quantitative easing – essentially printing money – when the temptation to follow the lead of the bigger central banks must have been great.

Canada emerged from the recession in July 2009, sooner than any of the G7 economies, and has kept the momentum, although at times hesitantly, ever since.

In the meantime, Carney turned his glare on those he believed had brought the world to its knees.

Basking in the reflected glow of Canada’s sound banking system, Carney became an leading voice internationally on the need to rein in the swash-buckling bankers who had brought the system down.

His ever increasing championing of the issue triggered a now famous clash with Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase & Co. in September of 2011 and saw him essentially made Mr. Global Regulator with the appointment to head the Swiss-based Financial Stability Board.

In Canada, he was equally scolding. To Canadians for taking advantage of his low rates to pay exorbitant prices for homes, to commercial banks for not setting the bar high enough on who could borrow, to corporate heads for piling up “dead money” when there was a world out there to conquer in the emerging economies.

He sympathized with the Occupy movement, but not those who thought Canada was in the throes of Dutch disease, the theory that what’s good for the oil sector is bad for manufacturers.

He gave speeches far and wide, at home and abroad. Appeared on panels and gave news conferences and television interviews.

No one had seen a Canadian central banker like this. Not only markets paid attention, but also politicians, most notably Liberals who thought he might just have the royal jelly to lead the party out of the wilderness.

Then last November came Carney’s biggest personal triumph. After squelching the rumours, he announced he was stepping down to become the first non-British governor in the 319-year history of the Bank of England.

“He broke the mould,” said Ian Lee, professor at the Sprott School of Business at Ottawa’s Carleton University, and he might have changed the position of governor of the Bank of Canada forever.

“Because he used the power of the bully pulpit of the governor, he redefined the office. He connected with Canadians, they listened to him, they respected him. That’s probably his biggest legacy aside from piloting the economy through a difficult time.”

And then you have Skippy....

Well Rikster, it doesn't look like anyone is going to change your mind on Carney and certainly there is myself and others here, who are not going to support Carney.

Estey

But Carney's not afraid to lie to pad his resume.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... ial-crisis

BCExpat wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:23 am Well Rikster, it doesn't look like anyone is going to change your mind on Carney and certainly there is myself and others here, who are not going to support Carney.

Fair enough ...

Topper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:24 am Estey

But Carney's not afraid to lie to pad his resume.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/terry- ... ial-crisis

I've given you numerous economists and bankers opinions supporting Carney and you give us the editor of National Posts comment team...

I give up...