We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Fortunately human-to-human transmission is very rare.
Somewhere in NW BC trying (yet again) to trade a(nother) Swede…..
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
At least 80 dead and another 350 infected in an ebola outbreak in Congo-Kinshasa. 
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
What are the stats on deaths and health issues with respect to Congolese Cobalt mining?
DeLevering since 1999.
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Your guess is as good as mine. A lot of that mining is artesanal in makeshift mines and I’m not even sure the authorities have any reliable records, and if they do - I’m not sure they want to release them. There’s a lot of money involved.
Also, even though cobalt poisoning can lead to people vomiting blood, I think they have confirmed that this really is ebola.
Now they’re just hoping they can contain it before it spreads to neighbouring countries and beyond.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Ukraine taking the war to russia! 
This is exactly what they need to do! The russians need to understand that in order to end the war, they have to withdraw their troops from all the illegally occupied Ukrainian territory and respect Ukrainian sovereignty.
And the Ukrainians also have the decency to only strike militarily strategic targets, in this case an oil depot and a naval base on the outskirts of St Petersburg. Anf this on the very day that the russian Davos style economic forum with dignitaries from several countries started there.
Contrast this wiith the russian terror bombing of civilian targets such as hospitals, schools, railway stations, residential areas and market places. Often with two-fold attacks, so you get another barrage when the first respondents have arrived at the scene, killing firemen, medics, et cetera, as they try to assist those injured in the first attack.
The UN recently issued a statement that this constitutes a war crime.
But the list of war crimes committed by russia is long by now. That’s why a Nuremberg style tribunal at the end of the war is an absolute necessity. War lords around the world need to take note that they will eventually have to pay for their crimes against humanity.
On another bright note, Ukraine has ordered 20 Gripen fighters of the latest model from Sweden. Unfortunately those can’t be delivered until 2030, but to bridge the gap Sweden is donating 16 older Gripen fighters that have been in use in the Swedish Royal Air Force for the past ten years and that can be delivered at the end of this year. Ukrainian pilots and ground crews just need to get trained first.
And on June 15th the first round of EU membership negotiations will begin for Ukraine and Moldova.
Those negotiations typically take several years though. There are a lot of steps a country needs to take in order to qualify for membership. There has to be laws in place to guarantee an independent judiciary, respect for minority rights, etc. There need to be strict laws and safeguards against corruption. How easy it will be to implement all the changes necessary while fighting a war against an aggressor with no respect for human rights remains to be seen, but at least the EU is showing that we are willing to let Ukraine in, which may help boost morale.
This is exactly what they need to do! The russians need to understand that in order to end the war, they have to withdraw their troops from all the illegally occupied Ukrainian territory and respect Ukrainian sovereignty.
And the Ukrainians also have the decency to only strike militarily strategic targets, in this case an oil depot and a naval base on the outskirts of St Petersburg. Anf this on the very day that the russian Davos style economic forum with dignitaries from several countries started there.
Contrast this wiith the russian terror bombing of civilian targets such as hospitals, schools, railway stations, residential areas and market places. Often with two-fold attacks, so you get another barrage when the first respondents have arrived at the scene, killing firemen, medics, et cetera, as they try to assist those injured in the first attack.
The UN recently issued a statement that this constitutes a war crime.
But the list of war crimes committed by russia is long by now. That’s why a Nuremberg style tribunal at the end of the war is an absolute necessity. War lords around the world need to take note that they will eventually have to pay for their crimes against humanity.
On another bright note, Ukraine has ordered 20 Gripen fighters of the latest model from Sweden. Unfortunately those can’t be delivered until 2030, but to bridge the gap Sweden is donating 16 older Gripen fighters that have been in use in the Swedish Royal Air Force for the past ten years and that can be delivered at the end of this year. Ukrainian pilots and ground crews just need to get trained first.
And on June 15th the first round of EU membership negotiations will begin for Ukraine and Moldova.
Those negotiations typically take several years though. There are a lot of steps a country needs to take in order to qualify for membership. There has to be laws in place to guarantee an independent judiciary, respect for minority rights, etc. There need to be strict laws and safeguards against corruption. How easy it will be to implement all the changes necessary while fighting a war against an aggressor with no respect for human rights remains to be seen, but at least the EU is showing that we are willing to let Ukraine in, which may help boost morale.
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Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Iranian supertankers Diona and Hero II have crossed the US blockade with their location trackers active.
MOU:
1. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
2. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
3. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
4. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
5. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
6. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
7. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
10. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
11. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
12. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
13. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
14. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
MOU:
1. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
2. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
3. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
4. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
5. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
6. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
7. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
10. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
11. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
12. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
13. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
14. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Where is 15. Iran immediately removes the primitive screw heads in power, and turns into a peace loving democracy that stops exporting terrorism and supports the existance of Israel.
Trump has made some progress with Iran, but I don't know if it is really worth the cost. They should have finished what they started. Germany and Japan circa 1945 comes to mind.
Trump has made some progress with Iran, but I don't know if it is really worth the cost. They should have finished what they started. Germany and Japan circa 1945 comes to mind.
The Cup is soooooo ours!!!!!!!
Re: We're All Doomed!™ (the Conquest, War, Famine, and Death Thread)
Exporting terrorism is a bigger concern than nukes at this stage. This MOU doesn't do much to move things forward any more than they were before this war started.
The Jet Woo Era is over.