Past Canuck Players

[Meds]

How did he cherry pick? Are there quotes and links that are contrarian to his point that he omitted?

[Megaterio Llamas]

No superstar player would stick around in this shitshow. It's the worst-run franchise in the league. What superstar player is going to waste his prime years circling the toilet bowl? The answer is no one.

People need to direct their ire at the obvious target, Mr. Aquilini and his Two Stooges. It gets painful to even talk about this stuff...

[Nuckertuzzi]

People need to direct their ire at the obvious target, Mr. Aquilini and his Two Stooges. It gets painful to even talk about this stuff...

Hear, hear.


The important thing we all need to remember is Quinn didn't have to say a thing and walked out of here a year from now scot-free, which he had the right to do.

Whatever you think of him, let's be thankful that didn't happened. If he quit, if he's selfish, whatever...he did us a massive favour. This story could've ended much much worse for us.

[Hockey Widow]

Agreed. He did us a solid. Two things can be true at once. I’m fine with not liking any player who does not want to play for the Canucks. His contract was structured to take him to FA. I believe he always had one foot out the door.

I give the guy props for the great talent he is. I give him props for letting us know ahead of time. I still don’t like him for not wanting to play here. Emotional? Ya. He quit on this city. Fuck him.

[Megaterio Llamas]

They bridged Hughes and locked up Scooter long-term. Scooter was always their guy; they identified Scooter, not Hughes, as their franchise player. He's going to be a top-three center in the league for a long time, so you get him signed for max term, and you build your franchise around him. They didn't have the same belief in Quinn Hughes that they had in Scooter.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Careful with your collective "we".

Oh we know - you checked out on this team, barely watch…

…and yet here you are.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't watched a game, but have big opinions.

Dunning-Kruger at its very best.

Some play in a sand box, others decide its a career.

[Lancer]

Agreed. He did us a solid. Two things can be true at once. I’m fine with not liking any player who does not want to play for the Canucks. His contract was structured to take him to FA. I believe he always had one foot out the door.

I give the guy props for the great talent he is. I give him props for letting us know ahead of time. I still don’t like him for not wanting to play here. Emotional? Ya. He quit on this city. Fuck him.

This is also true. I will give him his due for giving management fair notice that it wasn't going to happen. He didn't pull a Marner. I'll give him his credit, there.

[Meds]

They bridged Hughes and locked up Scooter long-term.

Not strictly true. Hughes signed a 6 year deal after his ELC. Scooter signed a 3 year bridge. That's on the agent and the player as much as the team.

Agreed. He did us a solid. Two things can be true at once. I’m fine with not liking any player who does not want to play for the Canucks. His contract was structured to take him to FA. I believe he always had one foot out the door.

I give the guy props for the great talent he is. I give him props for letting us know ahead of time. I still don’t like him for not wanting to play here. Emotional? Ya. He quit on this city. Fuck him.

I don't think his foot was out the door until they committed to Pettersson with the $11.6M contract. At that point Hughes had been teammates with a guy who had a questionable commitment to preparation and fitness, was known to be difficult to coach and work with, had rebuffed teammates attempts to work together, and was not at all carrying the load he was now being paid to carry.

I think there's a chance he was still willing to stick after they lost to the Oilers in the 2nd round.....but that evaporated when he came back the following season and the new $11.6M player had started the off-season by announcing a phantom injury and then showed up unprepared for camp.

You look at his comments this week about JT and how when he was gone it fractured things.....that speaks volumes. Management stuck with Scooter (probably ownership's decision) and it was over.

[Meds]

Agreed. He did us a solid. Two things can be true at once. I’m fine with not liking any player who does not want to play for the Canucks. His contract was structured to take him to FA. I believe he always had one foot out the door.

I give the guy props for the great talent he is. I give him props for letting us know ahead of time. I still don’t like him for not wanting to play here. Emotional? Ya. He quit on this city. Fuck him.

This is also true. I will give him his due for giving management fair notice that it wasn't going to happen. He didn't pull a Marner. I'll give him his credit, there.

Pull a Marner???

The leaves decided they wouldn't be offering Mitch a new deal due to cap contraints.....he just said Fuck You when they wanted to trade him at the deadline.

And he did agree to a sign and trade.

[Topper]

Careful with your collective "we".

Oh we know - you checked out on this team, barely watch…

…and yet here you are.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't watched a game, but have big opinions.

Dunning-Kruger at its very best.

Some play in a sand box, others decide its a career.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't read the discussion, but have big opinions.

What is the date on the quotes I offered Lancer? When did management decide to ride a scooter to the promised land? When did Tocchet decide these bosses weren't worth the effort?

You don't need to watch a game to read veteran players say they'd be happy to be traded at the deadline.

Please tell me what earth shattering highlights I've missed by not watching. I've read I may have missed a shot block or two, but not by a goalie.

[JelloPuddingPop]

Careful with your collective "we".

Oh we know - you checked out on this team, barely watch…

…and yet here you are.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't watched a game, but have big opinions.

Dunning-Kruger at its very best.

Some play in a sand box, others decide its a career.

You don't need to watch a game to read veteran players say they'd be happy to be traded at the deadline.

Right. And you don't need to read the book when you can just watch the movie.

Veteran players always want to move on from teams that aren't in contention. Ray Bourque who?

I miss Blob on days like today.

[Meds]

Careful with your collective "we".

Oh we know - you checked out on this team, barely watch…

…and yet here you are.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't watched a game, but have big opinions.

Dunning-Kruger at its very best.

Some play in a sand box, others decide its a career.

You don't need to watch a game to read veteran players say they'd be happy to be traded at the deadline.

Veteran players always want to move on from teams that aren't in contention. Ray Bourque who?

Are you criticizing Bourque for requesting a trade to a contender?

[JelloPuddingPop]

Careful with your collective "we".

Oh we know - you checked out on this team, barely watch…

…and yet here you are.

This is one of my favorites. Posters who haven't watched a game, but have big opinions.

Dunning-Kruger at its very best.

Some play in a sand box, others decide its a career.

You don't need to watch a game to read veteran players say they'd be happy to be traded at the deadline.

Veteran players always want to move on from teams that aren't in contention. Ray Bourque who?

Are you criticizing Bourque for requesting a trade to a contender?

No.

[Megaterio Llamas]

Suitcase Smith and Spider Lockett reminiscing about the old Canucks day:

[UWSaint]

They bridged Hughes and locked up Scooter long-term. Scooter was always their guy; they identified Scooter, not Hughes, as their franchise player. He's going to be a top-three center in the league for a long time, so you get him signed for max term, and you build your franchise around him. They didn't have the same belief in Quinn Hughes that they had in Scooter.

Not true on the contracts. EP40 and QH came off their ELC's at the same time, and signed their first RFA contracts at the same time (announced the same day, IIRC). The only difference was that EP would be eligible for a qualifying offer once his ELC expired and QH would not be because year 1 one on the ELC was just a handful of post-NCAA season games.

EP went the pre-bridge -- the contract would expire one year before UFA status. This was becoming a preferred approach for quality players over the true bridge (which brings them to UFA). It optimized potential career earnings if they played well (they are signing an 8 year extension as they enter their prime, no discounts for age) and stayed healthy. And for the teams, it allowed a wider window to negotiate the next extension, know what it is going to cost, and thus created more trade flexibility.

QH's contract post-ELC contract, on the other hand, included 2 UFA years -- 2 more years than the Canucks had a "right" to when they drafted him and signed him to play the end of his draft year season. It is the half way point between a true bridge and a max extension. And we don't know whether 6 years was something the Canucks or the Hughes camp were insisting on, but we do know that the AAV on an 8 year deal would have been considerably higher from an AAV perspective and the Canucks, in all their mediocrity, were kissing the cap.

Signing a 6 year deal certainly showed more mutual commitment than EP40's pre-bridge deal.

In the time after the deal was signed, the organization was plagued by underperformance and drama, with only a single playoff appearance to go along with 4 head coaches, the firing of the GM who signed you, and a huge amount of drama that went all the way to the top of the organization -- ownership, a President and GM who completely undermined the coach who had brought enthusiasm back to the team (apparently for the purpose of having no choice but to fire him), a Jack Adams winning coach who couldn't keep waters calm when the team should have been at its peak, and truly dysfunctional teammates.

I have no disdain for Quinn Hughes' supposed lack of loyalty to an organization that hasn't demonstrated competence or decency, much less loyalty.