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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:12 pm
by Per
Yeah, that’s a non-starter.
The first demand is reasonable, as long as Russia also withdraws from all Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
The other demands are ludicrous.
If anyone should be removed from negotiations, it is Putin, who is wanted by the ICC for war crimes.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:16 pm
by Per
Kaja Kallas defending peace and global order at the UN security council:
https://youtu.be/BPZlD7Am1G4?si=vNGAZQIiuBX-9LmD
Great speech that somwhat restores my hope that there is still some common sense in this world.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:16 pm
by Megaterio Llamas
Per wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:12 pm
Yeah, that’s a non-starter.
The first demand is reasonable, as long as Russia also withdraws from all Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
The other demands are ludicrous.
If anyone should be removed from negotiations, it is Putin, who is wanted by the ICC for war crimes.
Russia won't sign a 30 day truce. Complete non starter. We're looking at another six months of fighting, minimum. The Ukrainians have that much fight left in them at least. And they droned civilian targets in Moscow this morning, an obvious sign that Ukraine isn't interested either.
Trump wants a ceasefire but he's not getting one. This is going to be settled on the battlefield.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:25 pm
by Megaterio Llamas
It seems US AID is shredding and burning all it's classified documents today:
https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1899569636250702328
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
by 5thhorseman
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:39 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:35 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:36 am
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:46 am
UW, while you're here, what do you think of Trump's attempt to deport green card holder Mahmoud Khalil for "sympathising with Hamas." Seems like a direct attack on free speech.
While in Canada the Liberal dipshits have just published a report that defines criticism of anti-Israel activities as racist. It also defines “Shariah Law” and “Jihad” as benign terms.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/federa ... -activists
Which is why American free speech laws are superior. The government should not be allowed to define what is and is not acceptable speech.
Holy shit. Me and 5th agree on something.
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:59 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
Was it the protected speech part or the lawbreaking part that was "railed against"?
Trespass, burglary, barring other students from campus buildings.
Occupation of buildings, destruction of property.
Physical confrontations.
Threats against/assault on Jewish students.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:00 pm
by Cornuck
He was not charged with any crimes.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:03 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:59 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
Was it the protected speech part or the lawbreaking part that was "railed against"?
Trespass, burglary, barring other students from campus buildings.
Occupation of buildings, destruction of property.
Physical confrontations.
Threats against/assault on Jewish students.
I believe the railing was against calling for genocide of the Jews, so protected speech.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:57 pm
by donlever
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board
Over the top generalizations are unlike you.
Also...the terminology "wanted for war crimes" always makes me shake my head in wonder....
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:58 pm
by Meds
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:39 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:35 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:36 am
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:46 am
UW, while you're here, what do you think of Trump's attempt to deport green card holder Mahmoud Khalil for "sympathising with Hamas." Seems like a direct attack on free speech.
While in Canada the Liberal dipshits have just published a report that defines criticism of anti-Israel activities as racist. It also defines “Shariah Law” and “Jihad” as benign terms.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/federa ... -activists
Which is why American free speech laws are superior. The government should not be allowed to define what is and is not acceptable speech.
Holy shit. Me and 5th agree on something.
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
I will rail against any view that is advocating for genocide or are in support of laws or ways of life that trample on the rights of individuals.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:08 pm
by Meds
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:03 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:59 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
Was it the protected speech part or the lawbreaking part that was "railed against"?
Trespass, burglary, barring other students from campus buildings.
Occupation of buildings, destruction of property.
Physical confrontations.
Threats against/assault on Jewish students.
I believe the railing was against calling for genocide of the Jews, so protected speech.
Yes. It was exactly that.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, some of those "demonstrations" included Hamas propaganda.
We live in a society where our idiot figurehead decided to brand residential schools as genocide and condemned an entire nation, and then refused to investigate the truth for the sake of unity and tolerance.....because they knew the truth and didn't want their contradiction it exposed. Then the same fool and his cronies conspire to invoke the Emergency Act because of a peaceful, albeit noisy and disruptive, protest on parliament's front lawn that was putting a global spotlight on the draconian overreach of a democratic (though would-be dictatorship) minority government. In a sudden about face on tolerating protests the government was happy to permit racist demonstrations that promoted violence and hate and broke numerous civil laws.
Tell me horseyman, would you be OK with a demonstrations of hundreds or thousands of people blocking access to public buildings, intimidating neutral passersby, in order to advocate loudly for the extermination of Canadian Indigenous people?
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:13 pm
by Strangelove
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:03 pm
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:59 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board railed against the pro-Palestinian protests, even though it was protected speech.
Was it the protected speech part or the lawbreaking part that was "railed against"?
Trespass, burglary, barring other students from campus buildings.
Occupation of buildings, destruction of property.
Physical confrontations.
Threats against/assault on Jewish students.
I believe the railing was against calling for genocide of the Jews, so protected speech.
Well depending on what is said it may or may not be "protected speech".
At some point a line may be crossed into the area of assault, a crime.
Threatening to kill someone (or even bring them physical harm) is assault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:00 pm
by 5thhorseman
Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:13 pm
Well depending on what is said it may or may not be "protected speech".
At some point a line may be crossed into the area of assault, a crime.
Threatening to kill someone (or even bring them physical harm) is assault.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault
Agreed.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:04 pm
by 5thhorseman
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:08 pm.
Tell me horseyman, would you be OK with a demonstrations of hundreds or thousands of people blocking access to public buildings, intimidating neutral passersby, in order to advocate loudly for the extermination of Canadian Indigenous people?
I'm okay with them saying whatever they want, as long as does not cause or promote imminent lawless action.
As for the inconveniences caused by such demonstrations, relevant laws should be enforced to the fullest.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20 *AND* 22 *AND* 24 *AND* Beyond
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:09 pm
by 5thhorseman
donlever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:57 pm
5thhorseman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:41 pm
Yet you and everyone else on this board
Over the top generalizations are unlike you.
Also...the terminology "wanted for war crimes" always makes me shake my head in wonder....
Yeah, a bit of exxageration but it did feel like me against the board at the time.
War crimes
What an oxymoron. I'm sure Per will elucidate.
Russia’s demands for a truce (per the screenshot):
Russia’s play is clear: neutralize Zelensky’s regime, redraw the borders, then talk.
Russia’s demands for a truce (per the screenshot):
Russia’s play is clear: neutralize Zelensky’s regime, redraw the borders, then talk.