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Blob Mckenzie wrote:

RoyalDude wrote:

Blob Mckenzie wrote:

Reefer2 wrote:

Cherry Picker wrote:
Two years:

Gadjovich Pettersson Dahlen
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Granlund Gaudette Virtanen
Ericksson Sutter Lind
Gaunce

that is a lot of hoping and praying, certainly hope that isnt who you expect to be on the top line.

Not to mention other than Juolevi there isn’t a single defenceman in the organization who projects as an nhl player. Unless by some miracle Tryamkin comes back , guys like Stecher, Pouliot and Hutton look like bottom pairing guys at best. I don’t see any top 4 potential let alone top pairing guys other than maybe Olli.

Tryamkin will be back. He's too generational not to be in the NHL. Trust me Bubbles, he's that good. Fantastic drafting by the Genius

He’s as generational as the dump I had his morning

Named KHL defenceman of the month two months in a row. Yeah that's a terrible sign. You'd be a dingbat to not see how good this kid is gonna be when he was here as a rookie

Blob Mckenzie wrote:He’s as generational as the dump I had his morning

C'mon Blobby - get with the program! You know that player picked by The Genius™ is Generational™ and that you only have to wait 1-2 Years™ to see it happen.

(and yes, if Benning had drafting your morning dump, it too would be Generational™ - but sadly, that was a Gillis pick)

Cornuck wrote:

Blob Mckenzie wrote:He’s as generational as the dump I had his morning

C'mon Blobby - get with the program! You know that player picked by The Genius™ is Generational™ and that you only have to wait 1-2 Years™ to see it happen.

(and yes, if Benning had drafting your morning dump, it too would be Generational™ - but sadly, that was a Gillis pick)

This guy lives in a Trump stronghold. Nuff said

Reefer2 wrote:

Cherry Picker wrote:
Two years:

Gadjovich Pettersson Dahlen
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Granlund Gaudette Virtanen
Ericksson Sutter Lind
Gaunce

that is a lot of hoping and praying, certainly hope that isnt who you expect to be on the top line.

If Petterson and Dahlen have chemistry they'll need an asshole (I mean asshole in the best sense of the word) to patrol their other wing and crash the net. Plus that would be a real good forward group for the powerplay. Gadjovich in front of the net, the Swedes on the wings, Boeser on the point with a defenseman yet to be determined.

Blob Mckenzie wrote:

Reefer2 wrote:

Cherry Picker wrote:
Two years:

Gadjovich Pettersson Dahlen
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Granlund Gaudette Virtanen
Ericksson Sutter Lind
Gaunce

that is a lot of hoping and praying, certainly hope that isnt who you expect to be on the top line.

Not to mention other than Juolevi there isn’t a single defenceman in the organization who projects as an nhl player. Unless by some miracle Tryamkin comes back , guys like Stecher, Pouliot and Hutton look like bottom pairing guys at best. I don’t see any top 4 potential let alone top pairing guys other than maybe Olli.

You'll notice I didn't have Gagne on the team in two years. Pretty sure we can trade him for an all star defenseman. He once scored eight points in a single game you know!

His epitaph.

Cornuck wrote:

Blob Mckenzie wrote:He’s as generational as the dump I had his morning

C'mon Blobby - get with the program! You know that player picked by The Genius™ is Generational™ and that you only have to wait 1-2 Years™ to see it happen.

(and yes, if Benning had drafting your morning dump, it too would be Generational™ - but sadly, that was a Gillis pick)

I just laughed out loud in the Starbucks, wife thinks I’m weird.

That was bloody funny.

Blob Mckenzie wrote:

Reefer2 wrote:

Cherry Picker wrote:
Two years:

Gadjovich Pettersson Dahlen
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Granlund Gaudette Virtanen
Ericksson Sutter Lind
Gaunce

that is a lot of hoping and praying, certainly hope that isnt who you expect to be on the top line.

Not to mention other than Juolevi there isn’t a single defenceman in the organization who projects as an nhl player. Unless by some miracle Tryamkin comes back , guys like Stecher, Pouliot and Hutton look like bottom pairing guys at best. I don’t see any top 4 potential let alone top pairing guys other than maybe Olli.

Yup, forwards look pretty good for the future. Solid wingers, good centers though could use a little bit more overall depth, another solid draft or two but don’t require top picks.

The D, however, both now and for the future looks like a tire fire. Juolevi, maybe Chatfield makes it as a bottom pairing guy, same for Brisebois. That’s it. They badly need a couple of high D picks to add to the system.

Goal seems to be in good shape too, at least for the future. The present? Not so much.

The future at forward is very good especially at centre - Horvat, Pettersen, Gaudette. The Wings look good as well - Boeser, Baertschi, Virtanen, Dahlen, Lind, Lockwood, Gadjovich. The future on Defence is the problem, nithing much outside of Juolevi. Tryamkin coming back sooner than later would help but no point in going there until that day, if there ever is that day. Tanev is just too injury prone, love the guy but if we could somehow package him to a win now team that has a good young D prospect in the system like Fabbro in Nashvilles system. With the bitch slapping the team is getting Im all in on keeping Gudbranson over Edler, Hutton and Tanev. Edler is done here, like Tanev see if we can off load him for a good young D prospect. Hutton is garbage not sure what you'd get for him. I'm starting to smell what Topper is cooking regarding Stecher. So yeah, the defence is in awful shape and Demko can't come soon enough. Markstrom is starting to remind me of Cloutier.

Put it that way, it makes the Juolevi pick more pivotal in the team's and Benning's future. Tryamkin coming back would help, but I think everyone's rightly forgotten the idea of him becoming the Chara of his generation. Benning needs another diamond in the late rounds - a-la Gaudette - on the blueline to come through. Hutton is proving a mirage. Stetcher is in his sophomore season so I'm in no rush to judge. After that, though... yish.

Pawning off Tanev or Gudbranson for prospects may look good, but I don't see anybody in a rush to ship off any prospect who's a year or two away from a top-4 spot on the big club for either one of them in return. Benning will likely have to get help moving forward from either the draft or college FA route. Butcher would look really good in Vancouver's system right now if he wasn't already on the team.

RoyalDude wrote:The future at forward is very good especially at centre - Horvat, Pettersen, Gaudette. The Wings look good as well - Boeser, Baertschi, Virtanen, Dahlen, Lind, Lockwood, Gadjovich. The future on Defence is the problem, nithing much outside of Juolevi. Tryamkin coming back sooner than later would help but no point in going there until that day, if there ever is that day. Tanev is just too injury prone, love the guy but if we could somehow package him to a win now team that has a good young D prospect in the system like Fabbro in Nashvilles system. With the bitch slapping the team is getting Im all in on keeping Gudbranson over Edler, Hutton and Tanev. Edler is done here, like Tanev see if we can off load him for a good young D prospect. Hutton is garbage not sure what you'd get for him. I'm starting to smell what Topper is cooking regarding Stecher. So yeah, the defence is in awful shape and Demko can't come soon enough. Markstrom is starting to remind me of Cloutier.

I really enjoyed reading a Dude post I mostly agreed with, but there'd be little point commenting if I agreed entirely.

I agree the Canucks need more of what Gudbranson brings, but the defenceman position is too important to the function of the team to keep a marginal hockey player in that position for benefit of physical presence. In the current interpretation of the rules, net front battles are less of a thing, now, and the other elements of good defensive play are more important than ever. If you have to compromise hockey ability to get the physical element (and usually, you do), better to get it from a winger who can double as puck-retriever and forechecker-who-wears-down-the-defence. Even if Virtanen never blossoms into a scoring power forward, we can still hope that he brings value to the team by excelling in that role (fast enough to actually get in on the forecheck is an important element in which many other players otherwise suitable for the role are lacking). The Canucks just need 3 more like that.

RoyalDude wrote:The future at forward is very good especially at centre - Horvat, Pettersen, Gaudette. The Wings look good as well - Boeser, Baertschi, Virtanen, Dahlen, Lind, Lockwood, Gadjovich. The future on Defence is the problem, nithing much outside of Juolevi. Tryamkin coming back sooner than later would help but no point in going there until that day, if there ever is that day. Tanev is just too injury prone, love the guy but if we could somehow package him to a win now team that has a good young D prospect in the system like Fabbro in Nashvilles system. With the bitch slapping the team is getting Im all in on keeping Gudbranson over Edler, Hutton and Tanev. Edler is done here, like Tanev see if we can off load him for a good young D prospect. Hutton is garbage not sure what you'd get for him. I'm starting to smell what Topper is cooking regarding Stecher. So yeah, the defence is in awful shape and Demko can't come soon enough. Markstrom is starting to remind me of Cloutier.

Its good to see you critique the team without even one mention of Gillis...

So everyone basically agrees the D is where we have an organizational need...meaning we will need to take from our strength to acquire what we need.

Who can we move? Its looking like Jake would be the chip other teams might value high enough to send us what we need while not having too negative of an impact on our emerging core.

I still have to bring up how much the new,(and heavily enforced), rules have changed the effectiveness of how the
majority of defense men have been taught to play the game.
I am hoping they back off a bit but at the same time having more mobile, faster skating defensive corps will be essential.
To me, that is a very big deal league wide.

RoyalDude wrote:The future at forward is very good especially at centre - Horvat, Pettersen, Gaudette. The Wings look good as well - Boeser, Baertschi, Virtanen, Dahlen, Lind, Lockwood, Gadjovich. The future on Defence is the problem, nithing much outside of Juolevi. Tryamkin coming back sooner than later would help but no point in going there until that day, if there ever is that day. Tanev is just too injury prone, love the guy but if we could somehow package him to a win now team that has a good young D prospect in the system like Fabbro in Nashvilles system. With the bitch slapping the team is getting Im all in on keeping Gudbranson over Edler, Hutton and Tanev. Edler is done here, like Tanev see if we can off load him for a good young D prospect. Hutton is garbage not sure what you'd get for him. I'm starting to smell what Topper is cooking regarding Stecher. So yeah, the defence is in awful shape and Demko can't come soon enough. Markstrom is starting to remind me of Cloutier.

Good summary - it's almost like we stumbled into an Oiler's style rebuild... but at least we have ju in the wings to provide some hope on D. I'd hate to see the see the D with out Edler and Tanev, but if teams are ready to fill some some spots at the TDD, we need to move them for what should be D prospect(s) coming back.

The rest of the D look like placeholders at this point.

Cornuck wrote:

RoyalDude wrote:The future at forward is very good especially at centre - Horvat, Pettersen, Gaudette. The Wings look good as well - Boeser, Baertschi, Virtanen, Dahlen, Lind, Lockwood, Gadjovich. The future on Defence is the problem, nithing much outside of Juolevi. Tryamkin coming back sooner than later would help but no point in going there until that day, if there ever is that day. Tanev is just too injury prone, love the guy but if we could somehow package him to a win now team that has a good young D prospect in the system like Fabbro in Nashvilles system. With the bitch slapping the team is getting Im all in on keeping Gudbranson over Edler, Hutton and Tanev. Edler is done here, like Tanev see if we can off load him for a good young D prospect. Hutton is garbage not sure what you'd get for him. I'm starting to smell what Topper is cooking regarding Stecher. So yeah, the defence is in awful shape and Demko can't come soon enough. Markstrom is starting to remind me of Cloutier.

Good summary - it's almost like we stumbled into an Oiler's style rebuild... but at least we have Juolevi in the wings to provide some hope on D. I'd hate to see the see the D with out Edler and Tanev, but if teams are ready to fill some some spots at the TDD, we need to move them for what should be D prospect(s) coming back.

The rest of the D look like placeholders at this point.

An Oiler's style of rebuild is only a bad thing if the GM's are too short-sighted or pissing their pants scared, to pull the trigger on a trade that sends away a trade that means parting with some good young forwards in order to acquire some real talent on the blueline. Edmonton could have landed much more than Larsson in exchange for Hall, and much more than Strome for Eberle, had they pulled the trigger on those deals a few years ago. Chances are they could have had Larsson AND a 2nd line winger for Hall, which would have offset the loss of Eberle.