This is a great speech by the Finnish president, Alexander Stubb, which he held when visiting Kyiv earlier this week on the day that marked three years since the Russian invasion began. It’s only eight and a half minutes.
Listen to it and you may get an understanding of how we Europeans see this as an existential crisis. This is not just about Ukraine it is about the future of Europe, the future of Western Civilization and the future of a rules based world order. And it is personal for most of us.
https://youtu.be/xgsZT7YPS3E?si=6w4oSoXsVyiJ1VtR
He is a conservative, but a traditional conservative, the kind that still has core values.
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There is mounting evidence that DT is an active Russian asset. His actions support this.
This story might get a lot more interesting (and it's already pretty interesting)
This story might get a lot more interesting (and it's already pretty interesting)
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Who the fuck is ukcanuck?Mëds wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:07 amThe guy that banned you is one of the most anti-MAGA voices here. Maybe think about that.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:15 amDon’t think I’m back, just popping in, still pissed at Cornuck for banning me. Absolutely fucking hate the politics of this place and how MAGA righty it is. The CC ain’t what it used to be because of it.Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:03 amGreat point Chef. The contrast is stark.Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:54 am Speaking of casualty numbers, Megs, as of February 25th, 2025, 48,903 Palestinians have been killed in the war on Gaza. Have you seen Trumps Gaza AI video he shared?
https://x.com/ArtCandee/status/1894737796037787868
Quite the stark difference of treatment at the Oval Office for Netanyahu back on February 4th. Back to casualties of war, the sheer numbers - 1,706 Israelites have been killed in the war in Gaza.
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Well, the KGB was known to subscribe to the philosophy that America was too strong to conquer from without and would have to be eroded from within by influencing the nation at the voter level.Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:18 am There is mounting evidence that DT is an active Russian asset. His actions support this.
This story might get a lot more interesting (and it's already pretty interesting)
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Trump's actions already are far beyond blackmail over a pee tape, so is he a willing Russian asset? Does he actually love Mother Russia?Cousin Strawberry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:18 am There is mounting evidence that DT is an active Russian asset. His actions support this.
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I heard a long, long time ago from a financier who does a lot of business with financial institutions in New York that institutions in America stopped financing Trump and his business ventures a long time ago due to his long history of seeing his business ventures go bankrupt and not honouring his debt. Rikster is spot on. Which is why most of his backing came from over seas specifically Russia. What did Warren Buffet say about Trump. “He only makes money trademarking his name - Trump Towers.” He even sold his name for that hotel/office in Vancouver on Georgia street, which is no longer, btw. Name was removed.
It’s very plausible that Russia owns Trump, and this is how he is repaying his debt - backing out of Ukraine. Trump seems to be finally honouring his debts.
It’s very plausible that Russia owns Trump, and this is how he is repaying his debt - backing out of Ukraine. Trump seems to be finally honouring his debts.
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European (and other) leaders are showing their support for Zelensky and Ukraine following the ambush in the Oval Office:
- European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen: "Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people. Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You are never alone, dear President. We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace."
- British Prime Minister Keir Starmer: "You have full backing across the United Kingdom. We stand with you and Ukraine for as long as it may take."
- Swiss President Karin Keller-Sutter: "Switzerland remains firmly committed to supporting a just and lasting peace, while condemning Russia's aggression against a sovereign state."
- Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk: “Dear Zelensky, dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone.”
- President of Lithuania Gitanas Nausea: “Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.”
- Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen: “Dear Zelensky, Denmark proudly stands with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.”
- French President Emmanual Macron: “There is an aggressor: Russia. There is a people being aggressed: Ukraine. We were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago and to continue doing so. We, that’s the Americans, the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese, and many others... Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”
- President of Moldova Maia Sandu: “The truth is simple. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine defends its freedom—and ours. We stand with Ukraine.”
- Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson: “Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini! ”
- German Chancellor Olaf Scholz: "No one wants peace more than the citizens of Ukraine! That is why we are jointly seeking the path to a lasting and just peace. Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."
- Incoming German Chancellor Friedrich Merz: “Dear Zelenskyy, we stand with Ukraine in good and in testing times. We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war.”
- Croatia’s Prime Minister Andrej Plenković: “Croatia knows from its own experience that only a just peace can last. The Croatian Government stands firm in its belief that Ukraine needs such a peace - a peace that means sovereignty, territorial integrity, and a secure Europe.”
- Finland’s Prime Minister Petteri Orpo: “Finland and the Finnish people stand firmly with Ukraine. We will continue our unwavering support and work towards a just and lasting peace.”
- Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal: “We stand united with Zelenskyy and Ukraine in our fight for freedom. Always. Because it is right, not easy.”
- Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna: ”The only obstacle to peace is President Putin’s decision to continue his war of aggression. If Russia stops fighting, there will be no war. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine. Estonia’s support to Ukraine remains unwavering. Time for Europe to step up”
- Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister Simon Harris: “Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.“
- Latvia’s President Edgars Rinkevics: “Ukraine is a victim of the Russian aggression. It fights the war with the help from many friends and partners. We need to spare no effort for just and lasting peace. Latvia stands with Ukraine”
- Prime Minister of the Netherlands Dick Schoof: ”The Netherlands supports Ukraine as firmly as ever. Now more than ever. We want a lasting peace and an end to the war of aggression started by Russia. For Ukraine and its people, and for Europe.”
- Prime Minister of Luxembourg Luc Friedsen: “Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. ”
- Portugal’s Prime Minister Luis Montenegro: “Ukraine can always count on Portugal.”
- Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez: “Ukraine, Spain stands with you.”
- Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre :“Ukraine still needs the US’s support, and Ukraine’s security and future are also important to the US and to Europe. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has strong support in Ukraine, broad support in Europe, and he has led his people through a very demanding and brutal time, under attack from Russia. That Trump accuses Zelenskyy of gambling with World War III is deeply unreasonable and a statement I distance myself from.”
- Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala: "The Czech Republic stands with Ukraine and with the free world,"
- Czech President Petr Pavel: “We stand with Ukraine more than ever. Time for Europe to step up its efforts,”
- Slovenian President Natasa Pirc Musar condemned the events in the Oval Office, warning they undermined international law and diplomacy: “We stand firmly in support of Ukraine’s sovereignty. We repeat, Russia is the aggressor. It is time for Europe to take the lead on the path to peace in Ukraine.”
- the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Kaja Kallas: ”Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor. Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”
- Romania’s interim President Ilie Bolojan: “The security of Ukraine is crucial for the security of Europe. We all need to stand together to fight for our values, freedom, and peace.”
- Austria’s caretaker Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg reaffirmed his support for Ukraine, while the country’s foreign ministry declared: “Russia is the aggressor and we share Ukraine’s commitment to a comprehensive, just and lasting peace!”
- Belgium’s Prime Minister Bart De Wever: “We stand behind Ukraine and the Ukrainian people in their historic fight to defend themselves against an unprovoked Russian aggression. Their fight is our fight. United we are strong.”
- Australia’s Prime Minister Anthony Albanese: “We will continue to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes, because this is the struggle of a democratic nation versus an authoritarian regime led by Vladimir Putin, who clearly has imperialistic designs, not just on Ukraine, but throughout that region.”
- New Zealand’s Prime Minister Christopher Luxon: ”Our country remains steadfast in its support for Ukraine as it defends itself in a war that Russia started. Ukraine is not only protecting its sovereignty but also upholding international law.”
- Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: ”Russia illegally and unjustifiably invaded Ukraine. For three years now, Ukrainians have fought with courage and resilience. Their fight for democracy, freedom, and sovereignty is a fight that matters to us all. Canada will continue to stand with Ukraine and Ukrainians in achieving a just and lasting peace."
- Canadian Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre: ”As Leader of Canada’s common sense Conservatives, I have always been clear, we stand with Ukraine in its defence against Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion. I also firmly believe that the future of Ukraine must be determined by the Ukrainian people. Conservatives will always stand on the side of freedom and democracy.”
- European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen: "Your dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people. Be strong, be brave, be fearless. You are never alone, dear President. We will continue working with you for a just and lasting peace."
- British Prime Minister Keir Starmer: "You have full backing across the United Kingdom. We stand with you and Ukraine for as long as it may take."
- Swiss President Karin Keller-Sutter: "Switzerland remains firmly committed to supporting a just and lasting peace, while condemning Russia's aggression against a sovereign state."
- Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk: “Dear Zelensky, dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone.”
- President of Lithuania Gitanas Nausea: “Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.”
- Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen: “Dear Zelensky, Denmark proudly stands with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.”
- French President Emmanual Macron: “There is an aggressor: Russia. There is a people being aggressed: Ukraine. We were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago and to continue doing so. We, that’s the Americans, the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese, and many others... Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”
- President of Moldova Maia Sandu: “The truth is simple. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine defends its freedom—and ours. We stand with Ukraine.”
- Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson: “Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini! ”
- German Chancellor Olaf Scholz: "No one wants peace more than the citizens of Ukraine! That is why we are jointly seeking the path to a lasting and just peace. Ukraine can rely on Germany – and on Europe."
- Incoming German Chancellor Friedrich Merz: “Dear Zelenskyy, we stand with Ukraine in good and in testing times. We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war.”
- Croatia’s Prime Minister Andrej Plenković: “Croatia knows from its own experience that only a just peace can last. The Croatian Government stands firm in its belief that Ukraine needs such a peace - a peace that means sovereignty, territorial integrity, and a secure Europe.”
- Finland’s Prime Minister Petteri Orpo: “Finland and the Finnish people stand firmly with Ukraine. We will continue our unwavering support and work towards a just and lasting peace.”
- Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal: “We stand united with Zelenskyy and Ukraine in our fight for freedom. Always. Because it is right, not easy.”
- Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna: ”The only obstacle to peace is President Putin’s decision to continue his war of aggression. If Russia stops fighting, there will be no war. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine. Estonia’s support to Ukraine remains unwavering. Time for Europe to step up”
- Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister Simon Harris: “Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.“
- Latvia’s President Edgars Rinkevics: “Ukraine is a victim of the Russian aggression. It fights the war with the help from many friends and partners. We need to spare no effort for just and lasting peace. Latvia stands with Ukraine”
- Prime Minister of the Netherlands Dick Schoof: ”The Netherlands supports Ukraine as firmly as ever. Now more than ever. We want a lasting peace and an end to the war of aggression started by Russia. For Ukraine and its people, and for Europe.”
- Prime Minister of Luxembourg Luc Friedsen: “Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. ”
- Portugal’s Prime Minister Luis Montenegro: “Ukraine can always count on Portugal.”
- Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez: “Ukraine, Spain stands with you.”
- Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre :“Ukraine still needs the US’s support, and Ukraine’s security and future are also important to the US and to Europe. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has strong support in Ukraine, broad support in Europe, and he has led his people through a very demanding and brutal time, under attack from Russia. That Trump accuses Zelenskyy of gambling with World War III is deeply unreasonable and a statement I distance myself from.”
- Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala: "The Czech Republic stands with Ukraine and with the free world,"
- Czech President Petr Pavel: “We stand with Ukraine more than ever. Time for Europe to step up its efforts,”
- Slovenian President Natasa Pirc Musar condemned the events in the Oval Office, warning they undermined international law and diplomacy: “We stand firmly in support of Ukraine’s sovereignty. We repeat, Russia is the aggressor. It is time for Europe to take the lead on the path to peace in Ukraine.”
- the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Kaja Kallas: ”Ukraine is Europe! We stand by Ukraine. We will step up our support to Ukraine so that they can continue to fight back the aggressor. Today, it became clear that the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”
- Romania’s interim President Ilie Bolojan: “The security of Ukraine is crucial for the security of Europe. We all need to stand together to fight for our values, freedom, and peace.”
- Austria’s caretaker Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg reaffirmed his support for Ukraine, while the country’s foreign ministry declared: “Russia is the aggressor and we share Ukraine’s commitment to a comprehensive, just and lasting peace!”
- Belgium’s Prime Minister Bart De Wever: “We stand behind Ukraine and the Ukrainian people in their historic fight to defend themselves against an unprovoked Russian aggression. Their fight is our fight. United we are strong.”
- Australia’s Prime Minister Anthony Albanese: “We will continue to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes, because this is the struggle of a democratic nation versus an authoritarian regime led by Vladimir Putin, who clearly has imperialistic designs, not just on Ukraine, but throughout that region.”
- New Zealand’s Prime Minister Christopher Luxon: ”Our country remains steadfast in its support for Ukraine as it defends itself in a war that Russia started. Ukraine is not only protecting its sovereignty but also upholding international law.”
- Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: ”Russia illegally and unjustifiably invaded Ukraine. For three years now, Ukrainians have fought with courage and resilience. Their fight for democracy, freedom, and sovereignty is a fight that matters to us all. Canada will continue to stand with Ukraine and Ukrainians in achieving a just and lasting peace."
- Canadian Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre: ”As Leader of Canada’s common sense Conservatives, I have always been clear, we stand with Ukraine in its defence against Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion. I also firmly believe that the future of Ukraine must be determined by the Ukrainian people. Conservatives will always stand on the side of freedom and democracy.”
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Is it just me or doesn’t Lithuania’s president come across as a Liverpool supporter? 
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”This was how twentieth-century Fascism began: with a magnetic leader exploiting widespread dissatisfaction by promising all things.” - Madeleine K. Albright - Fascism: A Warning
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I thought it was just incredible that we have a fucking substitute drama teacher for our PM. I’m so glad we have all these actors that are experts in national and international affairs.
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Well, you seem to want to move on from a drama teacher to a newspaper carrier...
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If Trump is a Russian plant then that's bad. (Duh)
However, most of what he is doing is pulling American support from the global situation. He has said since the campaign trail that America needs to stop being the World's police force and stop spending money to support nations that don't want to invest in their own protection. That's a good thing. An independently strong Europe, so long as they are not hostile towards the US, is a good thing for America. A strong Canada, same story. Combine those two things and you have a strong NATO even without the US. If the NATO members all invest like they should, then America staying makes it an alliance that the rest of the world basically gets told: Fuck around and find out.
However, most of what he is doing is pulling American support from the global situation. He has said since the campaign trail that America needs to stop being the World's police force and stop spending money to support nations that don't want to invest in their own protection. That's a good thing. An independently strong Europe, so long as they are not hostile towards the US, is a good thing for America. A strong Canada, same story. Combine those two things and you have a strong NATO even without the US. If the NATO members all invest like they should, then America staying makes it an alliance that the rest of the world basically gets told: Fuck around and find out.
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Do you think the Pig in the Wig is a good leader?
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I think most, if not all, of us agree on this.Mëds wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:10 pm If Trump is a Russian plant then that's bad. (Duh)
However, most of what he is doing is pulling American support from the global situation. He has said since the campaign trail that America needs to stop being the World's police force and stop spending money to support nations that don't want to invest in their own protection. That's a good thing. An independently strong Europe, so long as they are not hostile towards the US, is a good thing for America. A strong Canada, same story. Combine those two things and you have a strong NATO even without the US. If the NATO members all invest like they should, then America staying makes it an alliance that the rest of the world basically gets told: Fuck around and find out.
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This is where the problem is - he has done some good things since coming into office. Then there are the things that are just unacceptable, including his tariff war on his closest allies and his support for Putin against the Ukraine. He wanted the Ukraine to sign a mineral deal without giving the Ukrainians any security guarantees. I'm glad the mineral deal fell through. Now if Europe can continue to provide support and possibly increase it, maybe they can outlast Russia who are running out of equipment. No one wants war, but the Ukrainians have fought way too hard and have lost far too many people in this conflict to quit now without any security guarantees.
The USA is turning on all it's allies and will eventually isolate themselves from the rest of the world.
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