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Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:57 am

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:29 am If Suter is traded, without an equivalent centre coming back in the deal, Van's depth at centre is non-existent. Blueger would be the #2 guy and boy oh boy that makes me excited to watch some Canucks hockey for the remaining 22 games.

I'd say our 2nd line center is Chytil, and then Suter, Blueger and Raty. But yeah, we'd be a bit thin. But....if Suter is looking for a retirement contract based on his best year ever, it ain't us. Suter isn't a 2nd line center anyways. He's a 3rd line center, and a middle 6 winger somdays. However, he is cheap and can fill a lot of different roles. He has a lot of value, imo. Sign on the dotted line by Thursday, or be a 2nd round pick on Friday. Throw Bains or Aman in as well. Billy Bean their asses

I was thinking most of us are looking at Petey as the current 3C - based on deployment, points and match-ups

Hopefully that changes, and even more important if they trade Suter.

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:09 am

Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:57 am

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:29 am If Suter is traded, without an equivalent centre coming back in the deal, Van's depth at centre is non-existent. Blueger would be the #2 guy and boy oh boy that makes me excited to watch some Canucks hockey for the remaining 22 games.

I'd say our 2nd line center is Chytil, and then Suter, Blueger and Raty. But yeah, we'd be a bit thin. But....if Suter is looking for a retirement contract based on his best year ever, it ain't us. Suter isn't a 2nd line center anyways. He's a 3rd line center, and a middle 6 winger somdays. However, he is cheap and can fill a lot of different roles. He has a lot of value, imo. Sign on the dotted line by Thursday, or be a 2nd round pick on Friday. Throw Bains or Aman in as well. Billy Bean their asses

I was thinking most of us are looking at Petey as the current 3C - based on deployment, points and match-ups

Harsh!

Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:12 am

JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:09 am I was thinking most of us are looking at Petey as the current 3C - based on deployment, points and match-ups

Harsh!

Where else do you slot a guy with 1 goal in 2025?

Supposedly the Canucks are trying to move Suter, Soucy and Forbert. Should be able to get decent picks back for all of them TBF.

Tciso wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 11:01 am

dangler wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:34 am

Lancer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:58 am Then again, this season’s team is done, even if they make the playoffs, so we should manage our expectations as fans accordingly.

Put yourself in the owners shoes. Your 1 pt out of a playoff position/ playoff revenue. Even though you know chances of getting past the 1st rd are slim
you still want those 2 games of gate.
I'd trade Boeser as long as the return was right to improve the team either now or for the future, but then you'd need every other secondary scorer to carry you through the last 20 games. It's not just about getting assets for expiring contracts,playoff gate matters.

Fans in general matter. If they either dump picks for a rental, or let our "own" rentals just walk, they will be selling the future (again), and total revenue will drop as some of us fans get fed up with never ending bad management. 2 playoff games (37,000 seats) don't replace 2000 empty seats over 41 games along with a drop in merch and the rest of the benefits that come with a fan base that doesn't feel fucked over.

[Insert big applause emoji here]


I can see the conversation now…

Management:
Boss, it's looking really bad. A lot of things conspired against us this year beyond our control, and where we're at now it's probably best to punt on the season and consider moves that are best for the future of the franchise. We can restock for a better run next year and beyond.

Owner:
WTF, we're only a few points from the playoffs! The best for the franchise is do everything you can to get us in NOW and every year, not next year. This is the whole reason I hired you two bald idiots.

Management:
You're right Boss, you win. Every move we make this week will be for getting us in now. We'll keep Brock and Pius for the final quarter season and spend future assets for additional help.

…….

Pretty sure this is a familiar conversation, and I don't need to point out the one constant.

Imagine where we'd be now if we had past management who stood up to the owner and/or an owner who gets the bigger picture. We'd have a bountiful prospect pool / farm system with plenty of guys ready to step into Brock and Pius' shoes (or skates) and assets to use in trades to replace Miller's gaping absence. The lack of depth in the system which we desperately need now more than ever is an indictment on the shortsightedness.

We'll have to see how this week goes to know exactly what kind of balls this management group has. Until we see it expect the wheels of mediocrity to keep spinning as long as this jackass owns the team.

Rutherford is a long-time NHL front office vet. He has a legacy that would only be diminished if the Canucks crater because of piss poor management. I can’t see him just acquiescing to aquaboy.

Allvin has worked with JR for a long time. He is a new GM in his first gig in the big chair. If he has more than half a brain he will not make an owner-pleasing decision that ruins the team as that won’t serve him in the future when Aqualini finally sacks him because of a lack of team success.

True. But the whole premise on which these two guys were hired, in that their vision and past history aligns perfectly with Aquaman’s M.O. of short term quick fixes, makes me extremely nervous for this week.

It worked for them last year, and while I would absolve them of some responsibility for how this year turned out in that much of it was out of their control, things can change in a hurry and you need to adapt to the situation. It may not be a mere tweak in vision as opposed to a seismic shift based on how bleak things look particularly in the forward group. I believe this management group gets it and is capable of adapting. Can’t say the same for the owner and that’s where the buck ultimately stops.

Again, this week will speak volumes. Based on Allvin’s last media hit, getting the sense the more things change the more they stay the same.

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 3:48 pm True. But the whole premise on which these two guys were hired, in that their vision and past history aligns perfectly with Aquaman’s M.O. of short term quick fixes, makes me extremely nervous for this week.

It worked for them last year, and while I would absolve them of some responsibility for how this year turned out in that much of it was out of their control, things can change in a hurry and you need to adapt to the situation. It may not be a mere tweak in vision as opposed to a seismic shift based on how bleak things look particularly in the forward group. I believe this management group gets it and is capable of adapting. Can’t say the same for the owner and that’s where the buck ultimately stops.

Again, this week will speak volumes. Based on Allvin’s last media hit, getting the sense the more things change the more they stay the same.

Right. However, their previous short-term fixes were with teams that already had core talent.

When JR/PA were brought in the Canucks had Miller, Horvat, Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko, which projected to be a very talented core with Garland and Boeser as peripheries. They moved out Horvat and brought in Hronek after identifying that the blueline was not good enough and needed a top-4 RHD to cement the core.

Now the Canucks have Hughes and Hronek as players who look like they will still be the type of player that JR/PA thought they had at the end of last season.

Unless you absolutely, unequivocally, believe that Pettersson is going to be a 100+ point franchise center, then you have to admit that there is no quick fix here.

Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:10 pm Unless you absolutely, unequivocally, believe that Pettersson is going to be a 100+ point franchise center, then you have to admit that there is no quick fix here.

Seravalli was on the local talk show basically saying his value is literally in the toilet right now. There are no GMs in the league currently who have any confidence that he will return to any semblance of the previous player. After all, it's been almost a full year of poor play with no signs of being able to turn his game around.

The team is stuck now with needing to move him before he controls where he goes but at the same time, other teams will stay far away from this contract. We're not even talking getting a fair deal back as there is absolutely no value there. You'd have to realistically beg other teams to take him off our hands by sweetening the deal in their favour.

This is how I'm reading it right now. Tough job for the management to decide what to do... but that's why they get paid the big bucks.

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:35 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:10 pm Unless you absolutely, unequivocally, believe that Pettersson is going to be a 100+ point franchise center, then you have to admit that there is no quick fix here.

Seravalli was on the local talk show basically saying his value is literally in the toilet right now. There are no GMs in the league currently who have any confidence that he will return to any semblance of the previous player. After all, it's been almost a full year of poor play with no signs of being able to turn his game around.

The team is stuck now with needing to move him before he controls where he goes but at the same time, other teams will stay far away from this contract. We're not even talking getting a fair deal back as there is absolutely no value there. You'd have to realistically beg other teams to take him off our hands by sweetening the deal in their favour.

This is how I'm reading it right now. Tough job for the management to decide what to do... but that's why they get paid the big bucks.

If this is accurate then there remains only one option. Try and crack the pipe cleaner code

It's like Topper mining for precious minerals. If you dig around enough you might find that vein

Unfortunately, it's like a junkie trying to find a vein under a blue light. There are no veins left.

Management might just have to bend over and take the needle up the ass to wean themselves off of this dependence.

We didn't dream that he was good at hockey. It actually happened I swear! What we've seen is like someone switched brains with him that has never played the game before. Somewhere the real pettersson is mowing lawns or something wondering what the fuck is going on

He will find it again.

My lawn looks very professional.

Mëds wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:10 pm Unless you absolutely, unequivocally, believe that Pettersson is going to be a 100+ point franchise center, then you have to admit that there is no quick fix here.

Yeah,..so...I think we're in agreement here. There are no quick fix solutions for this year and possibly the next based on how bleak things look. We're no longer building/adding to that decent looking core of Miller, Horvat, Pettersson (when he was good), Hughes, and Demko, etc., because it has evolved and left us with not much of a core anymore or one that needs to be rebuilt. So it's time to pivot to a new approach that abandons quick fixes.

That's the way I see it. That's the way I hope management sees it and can approach this deadline that way. Don't blow your wad on quick fixes when they aren't there. The future cost to try and salvage this season is going to be monumental and devastating. Take the L on the season and try to do what Seattle's doing. Doubt that will happen because I don't think it's ever happened, definitely not under Aqualini's ownership unless you count the year they sold Hansen and Burrows, who were steps away from retirement anyway. Linus Karlsson is not much of a player and likely may never become anything, but at least you have something to show for those trades so many years ago. Selling can be a good thing. Maybe we should try it sometime, and with some good players in their prime this time like Brock and Pius.

Nuckertuzzi wrote: ↑Wed Mar 05, 2025 5:07 pm Yeah,..so...I think we're in agreement here. There are no quick fix solutions for this year and possibly the next based on how bleak things look. We're no longer building/adding to that decent looking core of Miller, Horvat, Pettersson (when he was good), Hughes, and Demko, etc., because it has evolved and left us with not much of a core anymore or one that needs to be rebuilt. So it's time to pivot to a new approach that abandons quick fixes.

Sadly, I think our 'core' consists of Hughes these days. Did I miss anyone?