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RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am Chiarellis top 5

1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?

Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.

As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.

That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.

Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:16 pm Ken Holland, considered a genius by many in this market. Drafted Svechnikov in the 1st round of the 2015 draft with Boeser still on board. In 2016 drafted Chylowski who isn't looking too good, then followed that up with the UFA signing of Nielsen. Then in the 2017 draft, drafted Rassmussen in the 1st round with so many good players still available like Necas for one. Holland - considered a genius by many, sure ain't looking so genius lately, but that being said, has made his share of mistakes. Like I said, a genius will make his mistakes on his way to his masterpiece. It's the big picture. Stop focusing on the place holders.

Holland's legacy is more the draft and develop model. He definitely fluked out with Datsyuk and Zetterberg, but he has made many other picks in later rounds that have then been developed into quality players, I don't feel like many of them are actually top 3 forwards or top 2 defensemen though.

Larkin and Mantha are the only two that I think could fit into that category.

Abdelkader, Tatar, Nyquist, and Athanasiou, are decent picks outside of the 1st round that were developed and then brought up, but they are all 2nd line players at best.

Every GM makes boneheaded signings, especially in free agency. Those signings become even worse when the team isn't competitive because you generally have to pay more to get players to come to a losing franchise. I would much prefer to have a GM like Benning who might be too friendly in contract negotiations but can draft well in every round, over a guy who might not draft well but can develop depth forwards and get players $500K cheaper.

Ideally you would have Benning as GM and Holland as AGM. Benning calls the shots, so at the draft table he has executive powers, and handles the NHL side of the roster and whatnot, but delegates the negotiation of contracts and much of the minor league development to Holland.

Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am Chiarellis top 5

1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?

Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.

As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.

That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.

Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?

Would you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am Chiarellis top 5

1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?

Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.

As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.

That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.

Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?

Would you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?

Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.

I’d give him a B-minus so far.

Contracts and trades don’t matter. Salary cap ........ pffftt.... the 2014 and 2016 first round drafts never happened

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.

EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.

Or Chiarelli.

ESQ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.

EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.

Or Chiarelli.

Oh ok. My bad.

ESQ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm
Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.

EVERYTHING MUST BE COMPARED TO GILLIS.

Or Chiarelli.

Or Colorado! Oops, nope. Not Colorado.

So no thoughts from the "crew" on Bennings drafting and developing other than Blotis writing the book on Juolevi in 2016 and Virtanen in 2014 and ignoring Demko and Tryamkin in 2014?

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:06 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pm

Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am Chiarellis top 5

1. Trading Barzal and Beauvellier for Reinhart
2. Trading Hall for Larsson
3. Trading Eberle for Strome
4. Signing Russell to 4 years $4 milllion pet
5. Signing Lucic long term to massive bucks or drafting Puljiatvi 4th overall or not getting a legitimate no. 1 goalie?

Island Nucklehead is campaigning for the Oilers to be respected for the rebuild Chiarelli is doing.

As for is the case for Gillis (as explained above), a criticism of Benning is not an implication that Chiarelli would have done something better. Re-hashing Chiarelli moves is irrelevant, and worse, uninteresting.

That standard of comparison is not what Chiarelli would have done, but -- as chosen by his most fervent supporters -- what a genius would have done.

Looking forward to that Masterpiece (dynasty). What do you think remains to be done, and how many more seasons do you think it will take ?

Would you agree that the most important thing for this organization moving forward from the Gillis fiasco post 2011 is Drafting and Developing? With that in mind how well of a job do you think Jimbro Benning has done in that department?

Compared to Gillis? Or just in general? Lol.

I’d give him a B-minus so far.

B minus from Mëds,

Back to Chiarelli, Islands buddy

Just before Chiarelli was hired the Oilers who had the 3rd best odds at drafting McDavid won the lottery. Had they stayed where they belonged, drafting 3rd overall, for arguments sake drafted Bubbles buddy - Dylan Strome like what Arizona did, had the Oilers ended up with Strome, How amazing would the Oilers billionth rebuild look in the eyes of Oiler Rebuild campaigner - Island Nucklehead, especially when you consider all his pathetic dealings since he took over the post from MacT?

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:04 pm Back to Chiarelli, Islands buddy

Just before Chiarelli was hired the Oilers who had the 3rd best odds at drafting McDavid won the lottery. Had they stayed where they belonged, drafting 3rd overall, for arguments sake drafted Bubbles buddy - Dylan Strome like what Arizona did, had the Oilers ended up with Strome, How amazing would the Oilers billionth rebuild look in the eyes of Oiler Rebuild campaigner - Island Nucklehead, especially when you consider all his pathetic dealings since he took over the post from MacT?

Ending up with Strome over McDavid would have totally changed the landscape in Edmonton.

Chances are one of Hall or Eberle are still there, and they still don't have a top center at the NHL level.

Mëds wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:07 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:04 pm Back to Chiarelli, Islands buddy

Just before Chiarelli was hired the Oilers who had the 3rd best odds at drafting McDavid won the lottery. Had they stayed where they belonged, drafting 3rd overall, for arguments sake drafted Bubbles buddy - Dylan Strome like what Arizona did, had the Oilers ended up with Strome, How amazing would the Oilers billionth rebuild look in the eyes of Oiler Rebuild campaigner - Island Nucklehead, especially when you consider all his pathetic dealings since he took over the post from MacT?

Ending up with Strome over McDavid would have totally changed the landscape in Edmonton.

Chances are one of Hall or Eberle are still there, and they still don't have a top center at the NHL level.

Maybe winning the McDavid lottery was a curse??? Does Lucic sign there? The Edmonton fans and media are starting to whine about the Lucic signing already

...to keep playing on that thought, what if the Canucks had the 1st overall pick fortunes of the Oilers and not cursed with the Perreault curse and had won the Matthews lottery with the similar 3rd best odds that the Oilers had when they won the McDavid lotto? Would the crew be enamored with Benning? More importantly, does Island Nucklehead not take into account the signifigance of "lotto luck"?

If we keep on the narrative of reading patterns Elmer would have still drafted Juolevi and laid a massive chunk of shit on the draft floor because we needed defence right

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:24 pm If we keep on the narrative of reading patterns Elmer would have still drafted Juolevi and laid a massive chunk of shit on the draft floor because we needed defence right

drafted Juolevi instead of Matthews....yeahhhh rrrrriiiiiight. Lets let this one sink in for a bit.