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donlever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:10 pm There will be no logic allowed to negate narratives.

Broadcast since Nov 6 in various parts of the web worldz outside of the (imesho) led by the nose sites:

EU discussed as wanting to work a NG deal with the US to offset potential tarrifs

Russia said to be exceedingly willing to sell their oil in US $'s

Hamas making peace negotiation noises

Zelenksy said to have had private discussions with Trump and Musk re end of war

Mexico busting up immigrant groups headed to the border

Draining the swamp!

Merican lefty women in droves shaving their heads and going on sex strikes.

They figure this is a good way to punish men for voting Trump.

Take your money out of condoms and put it in dildos!

Or keep it under your mattress like a normal person.

So, no first female president in the USA, but there are some other milestones:

First convicted felon elected president and oldest president elected ever.
Trump will be five months older than Biden was when he was sworn in.

A question. Watching from the outside I see and hear all these left media pundits saying Trump is Hitler, a Fascist, it is the end of democracy, he'll lock us all up, he's going after all his opponents, there will never be another election...and on and on.

If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

Topper, is there anything else on your mind besides American politics? It’s intense, man. Maybe think of something else like Yosemite Sam and his ongoing battles with Bugs Bunny.

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:26 am If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

The "I know you are but what am I Dems..."

Musk and Rogan discussed this topic last week.

You catch any of that?

Trump, Vance and Musk all within days for 9 hours of conversation.

Dana White wasn't far off in his comments on JR at the post election Republican event.

donlever wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:37 am

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:26 am If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

The "I know you are but what am I Dems..."

Musk and Rogan discussed this topic last week.

You catch any of that?

Trump, Vance and Musk all within days for 9 hours of conversation.

Dana White wasn't far off in his comments on JR at the post election Republican event.

No I didn't catch Musk on Rogan

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:26 am A question. Watching from the outside I see and hear all these left media pundits saying Trump is Hitler, a Fascist, it is the end of democracy, he'll lock us all up, he's going after all his opponents, there will never be another election...and on and on.

If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

Sure, that made sense back in 1791, but does it now? No militia is going to stand a chance against the US Army. This amendment has outlived its purpose and is now a danger to society.

To be clear, I think people should still be allowed to bear arms, but there are some sensible restrictions that can be put in place. It shouldn't be unrestricted.

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:56 am

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:26 am A question. Watching from the outside I see and hear all these left media pundits saying Trump is Hitler, a Fascist, it is the end of democracy, he'll lock us all up, he's going after all his opponents, there will never be another election...and on and on.

If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

Sure, that made sense back in 1791, but does it now? No militia is going to stand a chance against the US Army. This amendment has outlived its purpose and is now a danger to society.

With the number of guns that are in the hands of private citizens, there is no way the US army will be able to keep them in check. The revolution won't be able to meet the US army head on, but they will develop guerilla tactics to gradually wear them down. Also, if there is a mass revolution, don't you think that some of the US military will join the revolution? Anyway, it's a hypothetical situation and probably won't happen.

BTW - I agree there should be some restrictions - mainly some fairly rigorous screening of gun buyers. As far are the type of guns that can be obtained by Joe public, I think other than RPGs or tanks, a thoroughly screened person should be able to buy any type of gun they want.

Agree on the defined restrictions comment in a microcosm.

However.

Eliminate, restrict, monitor, enact, empower will make zero difference at this point.

It is to late to create a credible impact on the number of guns, including assault weapons, in the hands of the people in the good 'ol US of A.

And your limitations/restrictions aren't going to stop any mass shootings at this point either.

Shooters gonna shoot.

Edit...yeah Expat...similar lines of theory in response however topically different.

Mental health is one of the very few restriction I could see being enacted.

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:13 am Mental health is one of the very few restriction I could see being enacted.

...meh, wouldn't help...all the Mental Health issues are on the anti NRA side.

For sure, putting in restrictions at this point might be a waste of time but at least it should be open for discussion at the political level.

Back to Toppers question, sure there are lots of guns in the states but how many gun owners are going to join a revolution and who is going to organize it? Yeah they might have guns, automatic weapons. Maybe some rocket launchers even. But they'll have 1% of the success that a similar force in 1791 would have had. They just don't have the technology, equipment, or organization. Yeah they could form a resistance movement but that doesn't really achieve the purposes of the second amendment. The government would still be in a position to impose its tyrannical rule.

5thhorseman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 9:56 am

Topper wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:26 am A question. Watching from the outside I see and hear all these left media pundits saying Trump is Hitler, a Fascist, it is the end of democracy, he'll lock us all up, he's going after all his opponents, there will never be another election...and on and on.

If any of that were true, isn't that why the US has a Second Amendment that these same doomsayers want to limit?

Sure, that made sense back in 1791, but does it now? No militia is going to stand a chance against the US Army. This amendment has outlived its purpose and is now a danger to society.

To be clear, I think people should still be allowed to bear arms, but there are some sensible restrictions that can be put in place. It shouldn't be unrestricted.

If it’s not unrestricted then your first point regarding its obsolescence is unassailable…..which is why it has to be unrestricted. However, as hard charging as some of the American military members are, you would likely find the military split similarly to the general population in the event that a government was being unjustly tyrannical to the point that an insurrection or civil war part deux broke out.

When you look at who wants the guns gone (in any country) the argument is basically a moot point.