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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:06 pm McDavid could learn a few things from these kids. He has the personality of a wet mop.

Yeah, the issue McDavid has is his placement on the spectrum.

Bedard and Celebrini look like they will be class acts for sure. I know many of these kids take media training these days and it looks like it pays off for many.

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:06 pm How did your daughter make out at the Canada Cup AP? That's a good tourney!

I'm going to watch some old teammates, buddies, and pricks Aug 10-17 at the ISC's at Softball City which hasn't been in this province in 27 years and I'll never see it again locally.

They played solid ball losing out in the quarter finals in a tight game. The top 5/6 in her division are really close in calibre and the games can go either way. Provincials start July 18th in Coquitlam and the Kelowna girls have a good shot at making Westerns which gives us another great opportunity to visit the lovely Port Alberni hopefully! haha

Really impressed with how they've turned around Softball City since taking it over from the city. Need a facility like that up here in Kelowna for these ladies to play ball at and bring some big events up here!

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:06 pm

Aaronp18 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:04 pm Jake DeBrusk
6’1” 198, Edmonton AB

Danton Heinen
6’2” 195, Langley BC

Derek Forbort
6’4” 216, Duluth MN

Vincent Desharnais
6’7” 226, Laval PQ

Kiefer Sherwood
6’ 194, Columbus OH

Pretty clear that Canada Day had a literal meaning for the Canucks brass. Bigger, faster, heavier, harder and most definitely more Canadian …… well …… North American.

I like the moves and really the contracts given out were more than reasonable in comparison to some of the other signings today.

Summer has just begun so we’ll see if the Canucks can make another big hockey move that could push us closer to contention!

Nice well rounded July 1 IMO.

Late to the party I know, hung out in sunny South Surrey watching the kiddo at Canada Cup this weekend! Some good ball was played.

Agreed, AP. I like the addition of tenacity and a bit more beef.

I agree with the sentiment to move Piglander. I just don't find him to be a useless tit. If Podz could ever put it together he would solve a few issues with this group.

Is there a deal to be made involving Hoglander for Dante Fabbro? I think Dante makes a bit more. Curious if they could expand a deal. I like Allvin's composition of the D. More Redwoods. Gorillas in the mist.

Barry Trotz killed free agency. Smart hockey man.


Watching Macklin on Spittin Chiclets, what a nice young kid. Friend of mine is tight with his Dad, Rick. They played soccer together for Cliff Ave for a few years when they were a big deal. He's such a well spoken young guy. Bedard too. McDavid could learn a few things from these kids. He has the personality of a wet mop.

How did your daughter make out at the Canada Cup AP? That's a good tourney!

I'm going to watch some old teammates, buddies, and pricks Aug 10-17 at the ISC's at Softball City which hasn't been in this province in 27 years and I'll never see it again locally.

He grew up with the silver spoon. Whadya expect?

Solid quoting there Mëds! Only leaves about 5 options of who the hell you are referring to!

Mëds works in mysterious ways

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:06 pm I'm going to watch some old teammates, buddies, and pricks Aug 10-17 at the ISC's at Softball City which hasn't been in this province in 27 years and I'll never see it again locally.

Hey Blobby, I know you've had a rough go lately. Hope you're doing better.

You gonna be back on the field crushing homers and setting off car alarms again? We're still waiting for that Blob vs Micky fast-pitch showdown

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:16 pm Cole also had a buggered foot, and played his off side in the playoffs. I thought he fine in the first round but he got lit up against the oilers. Agreed. 3 million makes no sense for Vancouver

I liked Cole's veteran contribution, it was nice to see 6 actual NHL defencemen for stretches last season. I think Tocchet overplayed him and the injuries to Soucy didn't help. Too many minutes for an old guy. I would have loved to have seen him return for 1.5 - 2M per, but no brainer to walk away from what he got from Utah.

A couple of things:

Cole got 3x3. Too high a cap and much too long term. No way we should have brought him back at that. Yes he was decent on the PK but he had his warts. I liked him early on but saw him as average mid season and playoffs, yes with a buggered foot in the playoffs. But moving on was the right thing to do.

Allvin did say he wanted to avoid playing into LTIR and if he could move that contract, on a deal that made sense, he would. But they have some wiggle room, as suggested, that he won't be crazy about moving it. And yes, he specifically mentioned have cap flexibility to bring the young kids up throughout the season.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:05 pm A couple of things:

Cole got 3x3. Too high a cap and much too long term. No way we should have brought him back at that. Yes he was decent on the PK but he had his warts. I liked him early on but saw him as average mid season and playoffs, yes with a buggered foot in the playoffs. But moving on was the right thing to do.

Allvin did say he wanted to avoid playing into LTIR and if he could move that contract, on a deal that made sense, he would. But they have some wiggle room, as suggested, that he won't be crazy about moving it. And yes, he specifically mentioned have cap flexibility to bring the young kids up throughout the season.

HW, I think there is a trade to be made with a team like Edm or Wash, both are in cap hell and will probably need a LTIR contract to make things work for them cap wise.

Canucks could possibly leverage a roster player that needs a change of scenery or a decent prospect for Poolman’s LTIR.

Or Baldie could leverage that LTIR contract in a way I haven’t even thought of yet, which he probably will.

theman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:13 pm HW, I think there is a trade to be made with a team like Edm or Wash, both are in cap hell and will probably need a LTIR contract to make things work for them cap wise.

Canucks could possibly leverage a roster player that needs a change of scenery or a decent prospect for Poolman’s LTIR.

Or Baldie could leverage that LTIR contract in a way I haven’t even thought of yet, which he probably will.

The last thing a team in cap hell needs is an LTIR contract.

As I keep saying, an LTIR contract doesn't give you extra cap space.

If a team right up against the cap acquired Poolman, they could then spend $2.5M over the cap

... but that's COUNTING the $2.5M.

Zero advantage, and actually a hinderance, as has been discussed in some posts above.

You usually have to attach an asset to unload LTIR contracts on a team with loads of cap space.

A poorer team trying to reach the cap floor is ideal.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:51 pm

theman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:13 pm HW, I think there is a trade to be made with a team like Edm or Wash, both are in cap hell and will probably need a LTIR contract to make things work for them cap wise.

Canucks could possibly leverage a roster player that needs a change of scenery or a decent prospect for Poolman’s LTIR.

Or Baldie could leverage that LTIR contract in a way I haven’t even thought of yet, which he probably will.

The last thing a team in cap hell needs is an LTIR contract.

As I keep saying, an LTIR contract doesn't give you extra cap space.

If a team right up against the cap acquired Poolman, they could then spend $2.5M over the cap

... but that's COUNTING the $2.5M.

Zero advantage, and actually a hinderance, as has been discussed in some posts above.

You usually have to attach an asset to unload LTIR contracts on a team with loads of cap space.

A poorer team trying to reach the cap floor is ideal.

so a team like Anaheim, who aren't yet at the cap floor would be an ideal trade partner in this situation.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:51 pm

theman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:13 pm HW, I think there is a trade to be made with a team like Edm or Wash, both are in cap hell and will probably need a LTIR contract to make things work for them cap wise.

Canucks could possibly leverage a roster player that needs a change of scenery or a decent prospect for Poolman’s LTIR.

Or Baldie could leverage that LTIR contract in a way I haven’t even thought of yet, which he probably will.

The last thing a team in cap hell needs is an LTIR contract.

As I keep saying, an LTIR contract doesn't give you extra cap space.

If a team right up against the cap acquired Poolman, they could then spend $2.5M over the cap

... but that's COUNTING the $2.5M.

Zero advantage, and actually a hinderance, as has been discussed in some posts above.

You usually have to attach an asset to unload LTIR contracts on a team with loads of cap space.

A poorer team trying to reach the cap floor is ideal.

That’s correct Strange - the biggest thing to remember is a team needs to be under the cap on day 1 of the season, then they can place players on LTIR and exceed the cap if necessary. It's pretty complex because you can’t just send a player down as they would be subject to waivers, unless of course they are still waiver eligible.

The other thing to remember is you only need to have 20 players on the roster day 1, be under the cap, and then can make your recalls and exceed if you have LTIR room. You don’t want to play a season with only 20 guys though as you’d be hooped when injuries hit - as has happened in the past when teams weren’t able to ice a full lineup.

The Canucks at the moment are about $1-$1.5 million below the cap before taking Poolman’s contract into account and assuming a 22 man roster. They can add a minor player making $1 million or so quite easily as they would need to subtract a player if they added, or they can just go with 22 skaters. Once the season starts they can then put Poolman on LTIR and exceed the cap if they need to.

I’m not sure what they will do with their cap space but I’m happy that Castonguay is the one dealing with the $$, as she’s proven to be very good at it.

And keep in mind how pissed Allvin was that having Poolman LTIR actually hindered them, for all the reasons stated, and that he wants to avoid playing in LTIR this season. He has a nice little cushion now, something of a rarity for us over the last few years. Of course he will make moves if it makes sense but I dont see them being players in adding right now. If anything I could see him moving out young players who are no longer waiver eligible and replacing them with players who still have waiver eligibility. So the Podkolzin Hoglander types.

Could also see them sending out someone like Suter’s 1.6m so they can bring back a higher salary winger - the 1-1.5m cap space plus the Suter 1.6 maybe brings back a 2.5 to 3m winger or defensemen.

In all honesty I think they should wait until cap, unless an unbelievable deal presents itself. Its see how our D pairings work out, who on the farm may be ready for the show. Up front lets see how Tocchet puts his lines together. There will be deals to have once teams start to waive players.

I dont see major holes right now. Yes, we could be stronger on the backend and yes another top six would be great. But lets see what we have first before we go spending every last penny.

Aaronp18 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:55 pm Solid quoting there Mëds! Only leaves about 5 options of who the hell you are referring to!

Lol.

Seems I’m on a fuckin’ roll lately.

I believe (using Poolman's LTIR) Canucks have around $2.8M in cap space right now with a 23 man roster.

So trade away Suter and his $1.6M cap hit for a $4.4M player?

Or don't.

Diehard, there is also a thing called off-season LTIR, but it creates other problems.

It came to light a few years ago, much to the shock of hockey folk everywhere.

But I personally don't really want to get into it right now.

You can google it if interested...