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ukcanuck wrote: I work in a muslim owned and operated British curriculum private school populated almost entirely by muslim school children (nearly 6000 students all studying to pass British high school standards. 3000 of which are female. All of these kids are heading for university.

So you're basically training their sleeper agents how to blend in with western society while making it easier for them to actually get into their target countries.

Mëds wrote:

ukcanuck wrote: I work in a muslim owned and operated British curriculum private school populated almost entirely by muslim school children (nearly 6000 students all studying to pass British high school standards. 3000 of which are female. All of these kids are heading for university.

So you're basically training their sleeper agents how to blend in with western society while making it easier for them to actually get into their target countries.

That was a joke right?

Strangelove wrote:

ukcanuck wrote:

Strangelove wrote: Ummmm UK, the folks in the Westbank are not interested in becoming citizens of a country that doesn't exist

(in their minds).

What THE FUCK is wrong with you...

Lol I don't think I could list all the things that are wrong with me!

I know it sounds like a stretch but the alternative is much worse.
Annihilation of a people who lived in that region for centuries even if you must call them squatters is more than ridiculous.

Annihilation is not an alternative at all, let alone "the only other alternative".

The rest of your post was all over the map (literally and figuratively).

Did you know that one out of every five Israeli citizens is a palestinian/arab/muslim?

The palestinians/arabs/muslims who are in the Palestinan territories refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist.

Israel has never had any other choice than to "fight fire with fire" as far as those palestinans are concerned

I figured some FACTS might piss you off. Aint it awful when the real world does not agree with your passionate opinions?

Hey dBm....my mars comment was directed only at the migration of humans to north america from Europe.

I am slightly offended that you used the holocaust in reference to it.....

Mëds wrote:

ukcanuck wrote: You want to use statistics that are unsubstantiated and most likely taken out of context to bomb Isis to justify how our beliefs are better than theirs?
I could use the same tactics to paint Christians as evil people if I cared to. If you asked most Christians, I'd say a higher percentage than 64% would say they believed the bible to be from God, then all I'd have to do is point to the passage where it says homosexuality is a sin and the passage where sinners should be put to death and extrapolate that 64 percent of Christians think gays should be shot.

And I would say you are really reaching, and also know nothing about Christianity. But what else should we expect from an overseas ESL teacher.....

Of course its a reach that's the whole point, so are the stats that say 60 percent believe that Muslims who try to leave should be killed... It's the same kind of reach

The Koran was written at a time when everyone was killing over the word of God.
The bible also has some nasty shit old school stonings and eye for eye stuff in it.
And there are plenty of fundemtal Christians out there who would answer a poll saying they believe wholeheartedly in everything said in there, but that doesn't mean Christians believe in stoning people over adultery anymore.

ukcanuck wrote: Of course its a reach that's the whole point, so are the stats that say 60 percent believe that Muslims who try to leave should be killed... It's the same kind of reach

Washingto Post: "64 percent of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam"

The Koran was written at a time when everyone was killing over the word of God.
The bible also has some nasty shit old school stonings and eye for eye stuff in it.
And there are plenty of fundemtal Christians out there who would answer a poll saying they believe wholeheartedly in everything said in there, but that doesn't mean Christians believe in stoning people over adultery anymore.

Excellent point. Who IS still cutting off heads and tearing around the Middle East on genocidal quests fuelled by religious beliefs? THIS is the critical point. We could also get into what the POPE has recently said about gays ("who am I to judge") and you can't help but notice a stark contrast between one crazy religion at least trying to move into modernity, and another crazy religion that has a significant faction trying to violently force humans back into the 600's.

You're lucky you live in the UAE (as opposed to say Baghdad). They've done some neat things with their oil money. They still regularly practice torture and severely restrict their people's freedoms, and have laws on the books authorizing the death penalty for leaving Islam. They've also put Non-Muslim people in jail for years for spitting on the Koran. Jail. For spitting on a book.

I had a pit-stop in Dubai on may way out of Afghanistan. I found the different standards pretty funny. European soccer moms in mini-skirts pushing strollers through the Mall of the Emirates alongside women in their best bee-keeping gear trailing behind their men. Hit up the second floor and into the tequila bar overlooking the ski hill. Got pretty drunk and one of my buddies forgot his passport in the taxi, he lost a couple days in the Philippines because of that one. So yeah some countries are better than others, but UAE has what, like 10 million people? Afghanistan has 30 million and Pakistan 180 million. Try wearing a mini-skirt in Kandahar or Peshawar... The UAE, for all their fancy, first-world amenities and facade of modernity, is still just a drop in the bucket. And while some of these countries might appear to be keen on being good citizens of the global commons, there's also the fact that much of the money and support for the crazy whack-jobs in ISIS comes from places like Qatar (world's richest country per capita and highest Human development in the Muslim World).

ukcanuck wrote:

Strangelove wrote: But I'd rather focus on the specific lies that I called you out on.

I'm intrigued as to the "why" brah.

Yeah, I can't fathom the "why".

I want you to address each and every alleged lie in point form forthwith.

First one, 3:35 minutes into this video.

Coordinates were given to 3300 palestianians civilians to take refuge at 6 schools "17" times by the Israelis before they flattened the buildings-claiming they didnt know...

There is the claim that Hamas uses human shields... Maybe that is true, but this incident makes Israel just as bad if not worse because they claim to be an enlightened society.

Hmmm so you're running with a completely unsubstantiated claim by some senator in Ireland?

A guy (David Norris) who is on record for calling Israel...

"an extreme right-wing regime that is behaving in the most criminal fashion"

A guy who said....

"Hamas had nothing to do with the murder of those three Israeli kids"

(since that statement, Hamas has admitted to the murders)

A guy who said....

"Israel created Hamas"

http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/ ... 4073100015

THAT guy??!!

Ummmm yeah, like I say, you're spreading lies bro.

FACT: Israel warns palestinians to clear areas before they launch retaliatory strikes.

This moron you're quoting claims the opposite.

Not sure why an ordinarily well-researched intelligent man such as yourself would run with this.

Equally disturbing is that an upstanding Catholic such as yourself would swallow whatever this guys spews.

This guy is a gay politician who called Pope JP "wicked" and "an instrument for evil".

This guy is a gay politician who believes the laws should be changed to allow for "sex with minors".

This guy is a gay politician whose former lover was convicted of raping a 15-year-old Palestinian boy.

This guy asked the court for clemency for his former lover in that case of pedophilia.

(he told the court that if pedophilia was good enough for the ancient Greeks, it should be good enough for us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Norris_(politician)

And yet YOU stand before us in this forum, naked, hand-in-hand with this twisted lying fuck!

Politics makes strange bedfellows... EH?

rats19 wrote:Hey dBm....my mars comment was directed only at the migration of humans to north america from Europe.

I am slightly offended that you used the holocaust in reference to it.....

Please do not be offended. If no one has told you lately, I love you and think nothing but good thoughts when I see rats19 up here. However, the numbers are eerily similar and that has as much to do with my remark as the actual reference you made.

damonberryman wrote: If no one has told you lately, I love you and think nothing but good thoughts when I see rats19 up here.

UMMMM you do realize Mr Rats19 is 15 years old right?

Dirty fucking Irish....

Strangelove wrote:

damonberryman wrote: If no one has told you lately, I love you and think nothing but good thoughts when I see rats19 up here.

UMMMM you do realize Mr Rats19 is 15 years old right?

Dirty fucking Irish....

Is that you mean by 'strangelove'?

damonberryman wrote: Is that you mean by 'strangelove'?

You wish.

First one, 3:35 minutes into this video.

No offense but did you read the link you pasted in? The Senator you degrade (rightly or wrongly) is hardly the only Irish politician to point out the major features of the videoed speech. There are a handful of them who seem to agree with him. Just curious.

Strangelove wrote:

damonberryman wrote: Is that you mean by 'strangelove'?

You wish.

Oh I do. I dream of you every night

damonberryman wrote:First one, 3:35 minutes into this video.

No offense but did you read the link you pasted in? The Senator you degrade (rightly or wrongly) is hardly the only Irish politician to point out the major features of the videoed speech. There are a handful of them who seem to agree with him. Just curious.

First of all, no one cares what goes on in the legislature of Ireland.

Secondly, no one there agreed with the claim in question.

(namely: Israelis lured citizens into schools and then bombed those schools - as per the moron David Norris)

(follow the conversation or GTFO)

Thirdly, you did FAR too many drugs in the sixties.

Strangelove wrote:

ukcanuck wrote:

Strangelove wrote: But I'd rather focus on the specific lies that I called you out on.

I'm intrigued as to the "why" brah.

Yeah, I can't fathom the "why".

I want you to address each and every alleged lie in point form forthwith.

First one, 3:35 minutes into this video.

Coordinates were given to 3300 palestianians civilians to take refuge at 6 schools "17" times by the Israelis before they flattened the buildings-claiming they didnt know...

There is the claim that Hamas uses human shields... Maybe that is true, but this incident makes Israel just as bad if not worse because they claim to be an enlightened society.

Hmmm so you're running with a completely unsubstantiated claim by some senator in Ireland?

A guy (David Norris) who is on record for calling Israel...

"an extreme right-wing regime that is behaving in the most criminal fashion"

A guy who said....

"Hamas had nothing to do with the murder of those three Israeli kids"

(since that statement, Hamas has admitted to the murders)

A guy who said....

"Israel created Hamas"

http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/ ... 4073100015

THAT guy??!!

Ummmm yeah, like I say, you're spreading lies bro.

FACT: Israel warns palestinians to clear areas before they launch retaliatory strikes.

This moron you're quoting claims the opposite.

Not sure why an ordinarily well-researched intelligent man such as yourself would run with this.

Equally disturbing is that an upstanding Catholic such as yourself would swallow whatever this guys spews.

This guy is a gay politician who called Pope JP "wicked" and "an instrument for evil".

This guy is a gay politician who believes the laws should be changed to allow for "sex with minors".

This guy is a gay politician whose former lover was convicted of raping a 15-year-old Palestinian boy.

This guy asked the court for clemency for his former lover in that case of pedophilia.

(he told the court that if pedophilia was good enough for the ancient Greeks, it should be good enough for us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Norris_(politician)

And yet YOU stand before us in this forum, naked, hand-in-hand with this twisted lying fuck!

Politics makes strange bedfellows... EH?

First of all you are running with unsubstantiated claims to discredit the witness. None of what you say is fact but merely accusations by the witnesses' political enemies. He is s left wing politician, right wingers always try character assassination and Who take the same tact as you. Namely, pointing to the fact that the dude looks like a lady with a beard.
This is all beside the point.

What he is or isn't doesn't change the fact that he publicly and in anelected body makes accusations that refers to specific detail wherein the Israeli government acted in abhorrent fashion.

This court should not discount this evidence so quickly

Edit: just curious about your insistence on fact, are you accepting that Israel warns where it's going to bomb as fact based on Israel's word for it?
Isn't that a bit like accepting testimony from the accused?
How is that corroborated?