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[2Fingers]

As I have said before, the American people are being taking for a ride. The fact that the democrats and republicans nominated those 2 morons is beyond belief. It’s fucking scary how the elite are playing with people.

They have the circus show going on all the while they slowing make their lives become worse and worse.

[Topper]

The problem (for all of us imho) is the most logical choice is Newsom which, to me, is an extremely frightening prospect.

A lucid Gavin is more dangerous than a senile Biden I do believe.

I agree with you, but Newsom has fucked up California soooo bad.

For that reason, and because it's so late in the game, I feel if Newsom took the mantle from Biden, it would play out like this:

Story today that they can't have a Harris - Newsom ticket the Constitution does not allow president and vice president from the same state.

Harris is the only one who can use the money in the Biden-Harris campaign. That money can't be used of Harris isn't on the ticket.

Apparently donors are frantic trying to get a pool of funds for a seperate ticket.

[Per]

Not being a citizen of USA if Biden dropped out can they put anyone in to run for President? I assume yes but you never know.

Basically yes. The candidate is decided on at the convention. Neither party has held their convention yet, so who they will present as candidates is anybody's guess...

The unusual thing this particular year is that neither Biden nor Trump has had any serious challengers within their parties, so the primaries don't matter and we have known all along who the front runners are. But neither party has yet confirmed who their candidate is.

Normally the delegates that have been won at the primaries will vote for the candidate they represent, but they aren't really bound to do so. If something earth shattering happens between the primaries and the convention they could decide to go for another candidate. And especially if the candidate they are backing pulls out.

The US elections are really based on an 18th century setting where delegates from all corners of the realm have to travel across the continent and gather in a room to make decisions.

The few restrictions that are in place are that the candidate must be a natural born American, whatever that means, and not be younger than 35 years of age. I think they should add a ceiling to that, that they must also not be older than 70 when elected for their first term and not older than 74 when elected for a second term.

People aren't talking about this, but Donald is just three years younger than Biden and also showing signs of dementia.
If elected, he will be older than Biden is now at the end of his term.
Both candidates are older than Bill Clinton, who finished his second term in 2000.

This election is really a choice between plague and cholera.

[Per]

The problem (for all of us imho) is the most logical choice is Newsom which, to me, is an extremely frightening prospect.

A lucid Gavin is more dangerous than a senile Biden I do believe.

I agree with you, but Newsom has fucked up California soooo bad.

For that reason, and because it's so late in the game, I feel if Newsom took the mantle from Biden, it would play out like this:

While Trump prefers electrocution.

https://youtu.be/bMNMt5FdVwg?si=1CG7512PgrpP6oRh

[donlever]

I agree with you, but Newsom has fucked up California soooo bad.

For that reason, and because it's so late in the game, I feel if Newsom took the mantle from Biden, it would play out like this:

Fair enough and maybe.

You're putting a good deal of faith in a bunch of left voters who slurped up the Biden/Harris Kool Aid (et cetera) to be smart and alert enough to not be blinded by whatever Newsom rhetoric the Dems create.

Shiny teeth.

Younger guy.

Armani suits.

Spin Doctoring.

...."he's not so bad Martha, must be better than the Ornage one..."

[Chef Boi RD]

It's priceless how Biden's supporters were in denial about his decline for years

... but now they're in total panic mode just 4 months before the election.

Also funny: "I'm not stepping down!" - Joe Biden

Doc, everyone knows Biden is a dingbat but this isn’t about Trump vs Biden, it’s about right vs left red vs blue…who is at the helm doesn’t matter, never has. You could put a potato in place of them FFS, who cares if he’s an involent and Trump is a criminal, lol.

If that's true Dude, why then are "Biden supporters panicking" as I said?

It's because everyone recognizes the power of the independents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/202 ... ald-turmp/

This is how the independents view Sniffer Joe at the moment:

I guess what I was trying to say is, you could put Jeffrey Dahmer in either seat, it would change anyone decision. Everyone is locked into their party no matter who the fuck up is. They are just figureheads

[5thhorseman]

I think your characterization is a bit unfair, Donny.

Kool-aid slurpers (on both sides) are not going to be the voters that decide this election. They'll stay entrenched.

But swing voters, who could potentially both for either side, I would think are more intelligent than the average voter as they are able to change their mind.

[donlever]

Again fair.

And sure, could be 5th.

Strikes me from what I see at political gatherings (be they election or world event based) there are a lot of Kool Aid slurpers down South.

Not sure that the main thrust groups down there aren't so divergent from the belief of the other that anything goes isn't a real time phenomenon.

It's turning into a Kid Rock versus Robert DeNiro landscape.



Hence my prior Roman Empire commentaries.....

[UWSaint]

Violent crime is at or near a 50-year low.

IS it?

FBI changed its reporting structure in 2021, and it lead to decreased information added to the system. https://virginiamercury.com/2023/10/31/ ... gh%20NIBRS. In some years, Chicago, LA, and New York didn't report.

And then there's the issue of down reporting. Aggravated assault becomes simple assault. Or underreporting. Have a theft? Don't call us if its under $1,000 (I know that's not violent crime). https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbis-d ... ies-report.

Then, I've heard FBI's reports of what local agencies reported to them don't line up. (The previous cited article hints at this indirectly when independent analysis of crime stats using local data doesn't align with FBI's treatment of that data in the uniform crime reporting statistics -- which are uniform insofar as FBI has fixed categories, but not necessarily uniform in translating crimes into those categories).

And there's the according to Gallup polling, Americans perceive crime to be a bigger problem than any time since the late 80's/early 90's (https://news.gallup.com/poll/544442/ame ... rious.aspx; https://news.gallup.com/poll/544415/per ... -high.aspx) -- the fear that sparked Clinton's crime bill to get at Biden's "super predators."

Now, I haven't personally tackled the data issue to a sufficient degree where I'd be confident about saying these these data critiques are all valid and that crime is worse than being reported. But there were many valid critiques about the uniform crime reporting system from the time that I was up to speed on public safety/crime reporting (late 2000s, early 2010s), and also a significant understanding about gaps in local crime data (and its strengths and weaknesses). At the very least, understand the FBI may be comparing what looks like apples to apples over time, but they are actually keeping stats that first convert oranges to apples, grapes to apples, raspberries to apples, etc., and localities may shift what fruit they are starting with. (And never underestimate the fact local stats are created and reported by agencies with an interest and there is some discretion in categorization (the conversion) -- sometime that interest is to aggravate (funding!) sometime it is to mitigate (look how safe our policies are keeping you!). Presumably the changes to the reporting system in 2021 were designed to improve the information -- it could be that this "drop" in violent crime is due to a previous overcounting of the same categories -- or it could be this new system is missing things (like when Chicago doesn't report....). I'm not sure so I don't know yet what to make of it.

But its harder for me to ignore the perception issue. To be sure, a fair critique of perception survey data is that it is influenced by what information people see. And yet, for my whole lifetime, local crime is the currency of local news. If it bleeds it leads. We (in the US) have been barraged with crime reporting for decades and decades. Its hard to say these anecdotal inputs affecting our perception are materially different in the past half century. I mean the way that we get our media has certainly changed, but if anything, the former centralized disseminators of news (national tv., local news, local newspapers) were always in a panic about crime; and decentralization (but echo chambering) is probably more likely to lead to a lack of unease. (It would be interesting to see perception of crime with cross-tabs against where that person gets their media, I'm sure that exists somewhere, but I don't have it.)

Ultimately, though, the talking point that "crime is at a 50 year low"--the first article criticizes Ron DeSantis for making the claim--resounds like "we've never had a better economy." One can never discount that perception of realities can lie -- but Occam's Razor suggests that the simpler explanation is that politicians and their statistics do. If you want to not get reelected, tell people the economy is great, we've "beaten" inflation, and we've never been safer....

[UWSaint]

Biden has to step down or be removed via the 25th amendment.

Key democrat party message this year: "This election is about preserving democracy."

You know, f*** the primary voters (after you first kept democrat primary challengers off ballots).

You know, lawfare to keep the main party opposition off the ballot.

You know, jail your primary opponent.

You know, we need to do this because if Trump wins, he would do this!

[UWSaint]

Not being a citizen of USA if Biden dropped out can they put anyone in to run for President? I assume yes but you never know.

Basically yes. The candidate is decided on at the convention. Neither party has held their convention yet, so who they will present as candidates is anybody's guess...

The unusual thing this particular year is that neither Biden nor Trump has had any serious challengers within their parties, so the primaries don't matter and we have known all along who the front runners are. But neither party has yet confirmed who their candidate is.

Ah, an answer to the question "I'm not a US citizen so I'm not sure" from "not a US citizen."

The Democrat party's rules state "“Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” So just conscience...Do primary voters matter or not? Will the elite members (delegates) of the party that's increasingly become the party of the elite decide their conscious overrides votes? Of course (and I think this is more likely if there's going to be a challenge over Biden's objection), they could *change* the rules, being at a convention and all. What will make it all more difficult is the plan to nominate the candidate (Biden) virtually, before the convention, in an environment that doesn't have the madness (or clarity?) of crowds.

As for no serious candidates on either side, that's just false. The Republicans had a huge field, many of them former or current governors. Some of these candidates had a significant funding to start with, but they never gained traction. It isn't that they weren't serious, its that for better or worse Trump is very popular among Republican voters. More popular with Republican voters, I think, than the Republican party establishment, where support for Trump is mixed (though support for him vs. Biden is quite strong).

As for the democrats, sitting Congressman Dean Phillips had a campaign. But every state is different when it comes to primary ballot access. And in some states where ballot access was simply controlled by the party (e.g., Florida), Phillips was kept off the ballot. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., too, began his campaign as a democrat. He *is* a democrat. But he opted to shift gears and run as an independent, in part because the democrat party itself was doing all it could to ensure there wouldn't be a contest. There might not ever have been, to be sure, but he's polled as high as 10% at times. If he had stayed a democrat, it probably would have been the most significant intra-party run against an incumbent since Pat Buchanan took on George H.W. Bush in 1992.

Bottom line is that Democrat party establishment, together with useful idiots in the media, have done all they can to protect Biden from a contest this election cycle. The debate the other night was not the first time we got a look behind the curtain as saw the Great Oz wasn't all that. But it was the first time there was a large scale acknowledgment of that fact by the people who've been telling us there's nothing to see here for years.

[Per]

Not being a citizen of USA if Biden dropped out can they put anyone in to run for President? I assume yes but you never know.

Basically yes. The candidate is decided on at the convention. Neither party has held their convention yet, so who they will present as candidates is anybody's guess...

The unusual thing this particular year is that neither Biden nor Trump has had any serious challengers within their parties, so the primaries don't matter and we have known all along who the front runners are. But neither party has yet confirmed who their candidate is.

Ah, an answer to the question "I'm not a US citizen so I'm not sure" from "not a US citizen."

The Democrat party's rules state "“Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.” So just conscience...Do primary voters matter or not? Will the elite members (delegates) of the party that's increasingly become the party of the elite decide their conscious overrides votes?

Yeah, I’m not a US citizen, I still answered. I’m sorry.

The question was ”if Biden dropped out” which means delegates for Biden would no longer have the option to vote for him. Since very few delegates are pledged to other candidates they could pretty much just decide among themselves who to pick. In good conscience of course. And the candidate must be a natural born American over the age of 35.

And yes, there were a few challengers to Trump, but the only one I thought would have more than a snowball’s chance in hell was Nikki Haley, and even she did not do that well. Both Primaries were over before they started.

[Strangelove]

Violent crime is at or near a 50-year low.

Says the guy who was cheering on BLM's Burning Looting and Murdering when Trump was Prez.

We understand, orange man bad, Biden koolaid good, right Horsey?

[Strangelove]

Biden has to step down or be removed via the 25th amendment.

Key democrat party message this year: "This election is about preserving democracy."

You know, f*** the primary voters (after you first kept democrat primary challengers off ballots).

You know, lawfare to keep the main party opposition off the ballot.

You know, jail your primary opponent.

You know, we need to do this because if Trump wins, he would do this!

Indeed, classic psychological projection...

Bottom line is that Democrat party establishment, together with useful idiots in the media, have done all they can to protect Biden from a contest this election cycle. The debate the other night was not the first time we got a look behind the curtain as saw the Great Oz wasn't all that. But it was the first time there was a large scale acknowledgment of that fact by the people who've been telling us there's nothing to see here for years.

Yeeeup, from total denial to utter panic in 90 minutes.

[Strangelove]

I guess what I was trying to say is, you could put Jeffrey Dahmer in either seat, it would change anyone decision. Everyone is locked into their party no matter who the fuck up is. They are just figureheads

Yeah well the Dem Party has been clearly panicking since the "debate".

Everyone knows the course is now set for déjà vu all over again:



Unleeeeeeessss...



... and I wouldn't put it past the ratbastards.