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Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:42 pm
by donlever
So perhaps spoke to soon.
Marchessault will be an option tomorrow as he and Vegas could not come to terms.
Which, of course, means Vegas will wheel on to Stamkos.
Also Reinhart has apparently signed his 8X by the mandated deadline so he is gone too....
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:24 am
by UWSaint
donlever wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:27 pm
Correction....the Canucks are not getting what the Media sieves claim to be their top choices.
Yes, this. The media doesn’t have the best track record with these things, and they don’t seem to have a great pipeline into the Canucks. Many teams and agents alike, I am sure, skirt rules (off the record) and float half truths in their attempts to influence the market, send signals they are interested, etc. But take it like an injury report in the playoffs.
There are quite a few players out there who’d be interesting adds to the Canucks, especially at the right price. Would love it if today the Canucks added a quality player no one has connected them to, like a Teuravinan up front or a Roy on D. Beyond that there are plenty of players who might make it through today without a contract, whose shine has worn off, maybe who have been overpaid In the past, but who will have the chance to provide value once they are properly characterized: e.g., Edmundson as a bottom pair, Zucker as a motor not a scorer/playmaker, etc.
There can be value found in free agency when you don’t fixate on guys and you don’t get trapped in bidding wars. Doesn’t have to be those guys above, though IMO all would fit well in Vancouver. Point is whales are often white, orcas hunt in pods, and it is a team being built.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 7:40 am
by rikster
UWSaint wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:24 am
donlever wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:27 pm
Correction....the Canucks are not getting what the Media sieves claim to be their top choices.
Yes, this. The media doesn’t have the best track record with these things, and they don’t seem to have a great pipeline into the Canucks. Many teams and agents alike, I am sure, skirt rules (off the record) and float half truths in their attempts to influence the market, send signals they are interested, etc. But take it like an injury report in the playoffs.
There are quite a few players out there who’d be interesting adds to the Canucks, especially at the right price. Would love it if today the Canucks added a quality player no one has connected them to, like a Teuravinan up front or a Roy on D. Beyond that there are plenty of players who might make it through today without a contract, whose shine has worn off, maybe who have been overpaid In the past, but who will have the chance to provide value once they are properly characterized: e.g., Edmundson as a bottom pair, Zucker as a motor not a scorer/playmaker, etc.
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here can be value found in free agency when you don’t fixate on guys and you don’t get trapped in bidding wars. Doesn’t have to be those guys above, though IMO all would fit well in Vancouver. Point is whales are often white, orcas hunt in pods, and it is a team being built.
So easy to say and for some so hard to do...
Reminds me of a story I've told before about a friend who invited me to attend the Vancouver Auto Auction with him...
His dealership had a surplus of used vehicles and he wanted to sell some off at the auction...
I sat in on 2 meetings, the last just as the auction was about to start, reminding his sales managers that they were to sell cars and not to buy cars...
The first car to go thru was a Ford Contour in an ugly colour with a hit over $2,000, a car nobody should want and the one buying it was my friend...
His sales managers asked him what the heck he was doing and his answer was that he got caught up in the hype...
July 1st is the Vancouver Auto Auction on steroids and is where you want your management team to have the fortitude to just say no to silly contracts and maybe more importantly the respect of ownership to keep them away from pulling the trigger like my friend did that day...
There will be many more trigger points along the season which will result in opportunties, so no need to lay it all out today if the deals don't make sense...
Take care...
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:19 am
by Diehard1
Lots of signing so far even though the market hasn’t opened yet. Zadorov and Lindholm to the Bruins - hate that team so don’t mind they signed 2 guys to likely massive deals that won’t age well.
Canucks supposedly in on DeBrusk which is fine, he’s a solid winger. No idea who else as Allvin and team always keep their info to themselves.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:21 am
by donlever
Lindholm and Zadorov in the East is just fine.
As long as it wasn't Toronto I'm good....
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:22 am
by donlever
...and now the Hawks have signed Teravainen so cross him off your list Megs.
...and my Montour to Kraken guess yesterday has come to fruition.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:35 am
by Diehard1
Some gross contracts today already - Montour for 7 years, $50 million, Tanev for 6 (!) years, supposedly Monahan is getting $25 million over 5 years. Do these GMs ever learn?
Stay patient Allvin!
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:36 am
by donlever
8x4 for Stamkos.
Christ.
Not as easy as it seems eh Reef?
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:38 am
by Madcombinepilot
Picker of Cherries wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:21 pm
Since DeSmith turned down the Canucks latest offer and is going to FA, Jack Campbell for league minimum to back up Tolopilo in Abbotsford might be a good fit. Journeyman with some experience that can help Tolopilo develop, and maybe he gets his game in better shape under Ian Clark.
Isn’t the plan for Silvos to get the bulk of the games in Abby??
We don’t need Soupy.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:41 am
by Picker of Cherries
Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:38 am
Picker of Cherries wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:21 pm
Since DeSmith turned down the Canucks latest offer and is going to FA, Jack Campbell for league minimum to back up Tolopilo in Abbotsford might be a good fit. Journeyman with some experience that can help Tolopilo develop, and maybe he gets his game in better shape under Ian Clark.
Isn’t the plan for Silvos to get the bulk of the games in Abby??
We don’t need Soupy.
Think he will end up being the backup with the big club, but maybe not.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:44 am
by donlever
I hope not.
I'd like to see a legit, experienced NHL goalie backing up so Demko can be cut off at say 55 max.
Silovs is not ready for that I don't think.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:48 am
by Diehard1
donlever wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:44 am
I hope not.
I'd like to see a legit, experienced NHL goalie backing up so Demko can be cut off at say 55 max.
Silovs is not ready for that I don't think.
They’ll sign an experienced guy today in goal. Almost sure it will happen.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:49 am
by donlever
Yeah, agreed DH.
Silovs would be a bad choice....can't see them doing it.
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:29 am
by theman
Re: 2024 Offseason - moving forward
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:29 am
by theman
I guess the Canucks will start getting more favourable CBC/Sportsnrt coverage from his dad now.