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[Meds]

The disgusting thing is that evangelicals know that Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster, among other things, but they still back him with the weird rationalisation that God uses bad people as instruments to achieve his purpose. Christians are willing to even sacrifice their own beliefs to establish a theocracy.

Yeah, Christians want to shove their religion down your throat that much.

Yeah, I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

[5thhorseman]

The disgusting thing is that evangelicals know that Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster, among other things, but they still back him with the weird rationalisation that God uses bad people as instruments to achieve his purpose. Christians are willing to even sacrifice their own beliefs to establish a theocracy.

Yeah, Christians want to shove their religion down your throat that much.

Yeah, I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

Do you honestly think Trump is a Christian? I'm asking for your best guess, not asking for you to read his mind.

[rats19]

They're not introducing any legislation these days based on the bible you paranoid nincompoop...

They don't need new legislation when there's already arcane laws from the 1800s banning abortion outright. Trump accomplished it by stuffing the Supreme Court leading to Roe being overturned so now those laws apply again.

You're not fooling anyone Doc.

So what's Trump going to do about abortion then? Does he have the guts to go against his base?

I thought abortion was a State issue, not Federal.

It is now Mëds that’s what its all about R v W made it federal. I for one don’t get it, giving back to the states is less authoritarian…..

[Strangelove]

Doc comparing elected members of Congress to tv talking heads...

Again, both are just expressing their personal beliefs.

No legislation changes are being proposed (Zappa reference).

I responded only to the ridiculous Zappa reference....

So this whole abortion ban thing never happened?

Abortion ban?

SCOTUS determined abortion laws are up to each state is all.

The number of abortions in America has actually RISEN since Roe was overturned:

https://www.semafor.com/article/03/20/2 ... spite-bans

[Meds]

Do you honestly think Trump is a Christian? I'm asking for your best guess, not asking for you to read his mind.

I would be VERY surprised if he is.

[Strangelove]

They're not introducing any legislation these days based on the bible you paranoid nincompoop...

They don't need new legislation when there's already arcane laws from the 1800s banning abortion outright. Trump accomplished it by stuffing the Supreme Court leading to Roe being overturned so now those laws apply again.

You're not fooling anyone Doc.

So what's Trump going to do about abortion then? Does he have the guts to go against his base?

I thought abortion was a State issue, not Federal.

That's the conundrum Trump faces. The GOP has long depended on the abortion issue for votes from its base, but now that Roe is overturned they are losing elections because of it. So he's considering a Federal abortion ban.

UMMMM... no he's not.

Trump publicly proclaimed he wouldn't sign a federal abortion ban... Mr. Absolute Truth.

He agreed with SCOTUS that abortion law is up to the individual states.

[Strangelove]

Christian nationalists believe the U.S. and state governments should operate and legislate according to their interpretation of the Bible, and that only Christians who share their political and religious worldview should control the reins of power. While many right-wing activists seek to downplay or obfuscate their Christian nationalist agenda, Feucht has been very open about his intentions, reiterating his desire to see “God in control of the government” while standing outside the Wisconsin state capitol.

Later in the worship service, Republican state Rep. Chuck Wichgers appeared on stage, where he praised those who had gathered to pray for helping him fight the “demons” at work within the capitol.

“When it comes to this building, there’s demons in those walls,” Wichgers told the crowd. “The only way they go away is by this [prayer]. That’s the only way. And when you’re not here, those demons are laughing at you for not being here. They’re saying, ‘Go away, we’ll give you the laws that you want, we’ll violate the 10 Commandments, we’ll do whatever it takes to make you guys think you’re happy.’”

Yep..... no comment needed...

Okay, Christian nationalism is embraced by 38% of Americans overall.

(48% of Republicans embrace it)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_nationalism

Naturally the beliefs of the people are going to be reflected in government...

[Strangelove]

The disgusting thing is that evangelicals know that Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster, among other things, but they still back him with the weird rationalisation that God uses bad people as instruments to achieve his purpose. Christians are willing to even sacrifice their own beliefs to establish a theocracy.

Yeah, Christians want to shove their religion down your throat that much.

You're just afraid that there might be Witch Trials in your future.

You "know" that "Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster" eh Mr. Absolute Truth?

Half of America says the exact same thing about Dementia Joe.

Most folks are brainwashed these days it seems... especially YOU.

[5thhorseman]

They're not introducing any legislation these days based on the bible you paranoid nincompoop...

They don't need new legislation when there's already arcane laws from the 1800s banning abortion outright. Trump accomplished it by stuffing the Supreme Court leading to Roe being overturned so now those laws apply again.

You're not fooling anyone Doc.

So what's Trump going to do about abortion then? Does he have the guts to go against his base?

I thought abortion was a State issue, not Federal.

It is now Mëds that’s what its all about R v W made it federal. I for one don’t get it, giving back to the states is less authoritarian…..

Maybe they should give the decision on slavery back to the states too. Less authoritarian, right?

No Rats, what is authoritarian is the states' laws than ban abortion outright with no exceptions. Government telling women what to do with their bodies. That's why Roe v Wade was needed, to make the government less authoritarian and allow choice. But Trump fucked that up trying to please the evangelicals. And you think that's less authoritarian?

[Per]

The disgusting thing is that evangelicals know that Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster, among other things, but they still back him with the weird rationalisation that God uses bad people as instruments to achieve his purpose. Christians are willing to even sacrifice their own beliefs to establish a theocracy.

Yeah, Christians want to shove their religion down your throat that much.

You're just afraid that there might be Witch Trials in your future.

You "know" that "Trump is a liar, rapist, and fraudster" eh Mr. Absolute Truth?

Half of America says the exact same thing about Dementia Joe.

Most folks are brainwashed these days it seems... especially YOU.

The difference is of course that Trump has been convicted of lies, fraud and rape in a court of law, and Biden has not.

Or, OK, technically he wasn’t convicted of rape, because of the statutes of limitations and such. But he called a woman who claimed he had raped her a liar, and she sued him for defamation. The court, after examining the evidence and hearing several witnesses, then ruled that everything pointed to her telling the truth, so he was convicted of defamation and had to pay damages. But that means the court was convinced that he had raped her. Ivana Trump also claimed to have been raped by him, but then he paid her off and made her sign an NDA, so that never went anywhere. And then he buried her at his golf course, so he can claim it’s a cemetary and avoid taxes. As normal people do.

[5thhorseman]

... giving back to the states is less authoritarian…..

Another take on this Rats:

If it's truly less authoritarian for the Fed's to leave it to the states ...

then it's even less authoritarian for the States to leave it to individuals, right?

And isn't that what Roe v Wade ruled? That the decision should be between a woman and her doctor. That's the least authoritarian of all.

What say you Rats? Do you think Roe v Wade should not have been overturned?

[Strangelove]

The difference is of course that Trump has been convicted of lies, fraud and rape in a court of law, and Biden has not.

Or, OK, technically he wasn’t convicted of rape, because of the statutes of limitations and such. But he called a woman who claimed he had raped her a liar, and she sued him for defamation. The court, after examining the evidence and hearing several witnesses, then ruled that everything pointed to her telling the truth, so he was convicted of defamation and had to pay damages. But that means the courtwas convinced that he had raped her. Ivana Trump also claimed to have been raped by him, but then he paid her off and made her sign an NDA, so that never went anywhere. And then he buried her at his golf course, so he can claim it’s a cemetary and avoid taxes. As normal people do.

Not gonna get caught up in partisan mudslinging, Trump is appealing...

Point was that half of America "knows" things about Trump and the other half "knows" things about Biden.

We know that Horsey is brainwashed, but what about you Per?

Brainwashee or brainwasher?

[Strangelove]

They're not introducing any legislation these days based on the bible you paranoid nincompoop...

They don't need new legislation when there's already arcane laws from the 1800s banning abortion outright. Trump accomplished it by stuffing the Supreme Court leading to Roe being overturned so now those laws apply again.

You're not fooling anyone Doc.

So what's Trump going to do about abortion then? Does he have the guts to go against his base?

I thought abortion was a State issue, not Federal.

It is now Mëds that’s what its all about R v W made it federal. I for one don’t get it, giving back to the states is less authoritarian…..

Maybe they should give the decision on slavery back to the states too. Less authoritarian, right?

No Rats, what is authoritarian is the states' laws than ban abortion outright with no exceptions. Government telling women what to do with their bodies. That's why Roe v Wade was needed, to make the government less authoritarian and allow choice. But Trump fucked that up trying to please the evangelicals. And you think that's less authoritarian?

Yeah, yeah, we get it you want a One World government with leftie values...

[Per]

The difference is of course that Trump has been convicted of lies, fraud and rape in a court of law, and Biden has not.

Or, OK, technically he wasn’t convicted of rape, because of the statutes of limitations and such. But he called a woman who claimed he had raped her a liar, and she sued him for defamation. The court, after examining the evidence and hearing several witnesses, then ruled that everything pointed to her telling the truth, so he was convicted of defamation and had to pay damages. But that means the courtwas convinced that he had raped her. Ivana Trump also claimed to have been raped by him, but then he paid her off and made her sign an NDA, so that never went anywhere. And then he buried her at his golf course, so he can claim it’s a cemetary and avoid taxes. As normal people do.

Not gonna get caught up in partisan mudslinging, Trump is appealing...

Point was that half of America "knows" things about Trump and the other half "know" things about Biden.

We know that Horsey is brainwashed, but what about you Per?

Brainwashee or brainwasher?

Nah, I just have trust in the legal system. Let that decide.

[Meds]

... giving back to the states is less authoritarian…..

Another take on this Rats:

If it's truly less authoritarian for the Fed's to leave it to the states ...

then it's even less authoritarian for the States to leave it to individuals, right?

And isn't that what Roe v Wade ruled? That the decision should be between a woman and her doctor. That's the least authoritarian of all.

What say you Rats? Do you think Roe v Wade should not have been overturned?

Yes. That’s actually the most libertarian way to do it Horsey. It also leaves the moral responsibility for the choice on the individuals involved.

But, who pays for the abortion?

If the state is going to have any financial responsibility or service obligation in this procedure then it’s not as cut and dry because the State represents the people, not just the person.

The first question is when does life begin? At conception or at the point of awareness? If the State (aka the people, aka the majority in a democracy) says that life begins at conception, then you have the moral dilemma of abortion being nothing more than electively taking a life……now the moral foundations of state law are not unshakable. That’s why this is so complicated.