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Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

This is what you get when you tell a guy that you don't do Group B rookie bonuses with any rookies and then turn around the next week and give them to a younger rookie.....oh yeah and then the guy you shafted out scores the guy you paid.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Looks like they'll be forced to trade mitch the bitch unfortunately for those of us that relish in the laughs perpetual failings.
The return could potentially exceed the value of MM although with dumbass throwing picks and cash around like cheque day on the rez anything is possible as long as its a stupid move.

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Looks like they'll be forced to trade mitch the bitch unfortunately for those of us that relish in the laughs perpetual failings.
The return could potentially exceed the value of MM although with dumbass throwing picks and cash around like cheque day on the rez anything is possible as long as its a stupid move.

Yeah, last thing we want them to do is trade Bitch Barner!

And thankfully Dumbass won't... he'd more likely trade even more depth away (Kapanen/Johnsson?).

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:11 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

This is what you get when you tell a guy that you don't do Group B rookie bonuses with any rookies and then turn around the next week and give them to a younger rookie.....oh yeah and then the guy you shafted out scores the guy you paid.

Why is it that every time Leaves have a talented group to build around, whoever the GM is at the time screws it up?

Must be karma.

Hey Doc, after Big Bruising teams (Caps and Blues) winning the last two Stanley Cups why is Dumbass building the smallest team in the NHL if they are trying to win the cup now? Something isn’t computing here.

Look at the Canucks most recent acquisitions

Myers - 6’-8” 230 lbs
Ferland - 6’-1” 217 lbs
Miller - 6’-1” - 200 lbs
Benn - 6’-2” - 200lbs
Podkozlin - 6’-1” 200 lbs
Hoglander - 5’-9” 190 lbs (Swedish Stan Smyl)

Let me ask you Doc, what GM is better tuned in with the trend!

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Agent for Mitch Marner is Darren Ferris;
https://puckpedia.com/agent/darren-ferris

His largest client signing so far is Taylor Hall, at 6 million.

If he considers that Willie Nylander commanded a multi-year, 7 million per contract, from the leaves, well;

WOW

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Looks like they'll be forced to trade mitch the bitch unfortunately for those of us that relish in the laughs perpetual failings.
The return could potentially exceed the value of MM although with dumbass throwing picks and cash around like cheque day on the rez anything is possible as long as its a stupid move.

Imo the best Dubas could get for Mitch is recouping picks or another problem player without a contract (Laine?).

Waiting to December to write an offer sheet and Mitch could be had for 1st/2nd/3rd. I doubt Dubas can do better with no contract in place, and not many teams have the cap space to resign Mitch - unless they dump a contract back on the leaves!

ESQ wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:28 pm

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Looks like they'll be forced to trade mitch the bitch unfortunately for those of us that relish in the laughs perpetual failings.
The return could potentially exceed the value of MM although with dumbass throwing picks and cash around like cheque day on the rez anything is possible as long as its a stupid move.

Imo the best Dubas could get for Mitch is recouping picks or another problem player without a contract (Laine?).

Waiting to December to write an offer sheet and Mitch could be had for 1st/2nd/3rd. I doubt Dubas can do better with no contract in place, and not many teams have the cap space to resign Mitch - unless they dump a contract back on the leaves!

This entire situation is what the league wanted because it will force the distribution of talent. Perfect.

The NHLPA will almost certainly be digging in on the cap and buyout issue right now, because the bottom line for a union is money, and when your superstars, who make the most money, can't get a contract because nobody can give it to them under the salary cap, and too few teams have the space to accommodate cap dump trades, suddenly you have a problem. If an employee isn't living up to his contract there should be a clause that allows his dismissal, albeit a shit-canning with some hefty compensation, and there shouldn't be a pound of flesh exacted from the people who want to part ways with a sack of shit performer. Reasonably I'd say a buyout should be allowed with a maximum recapture style penalty of 20% for no more than 2 years.....the player still gets his cash though.

The LTIR rules are a total joke too. Clarkson and Horton are NOT coming back. The only reason they haven't retired is so they can get their money via insurance. I get it, it's not their fault they suffered career ending injuries. But why can't they simply be bought out completely with no penalty to the organization? For instance, let the Leaves pay the insurance premiums on Horton, but simply erase him from the roster. Same with Luongo, he's old and damaged goods, time to hang them up, but not because he's finished with hockey and wants to rest on his laurels (if he'd won any ), it's because his body can't take it. He's retiring for medical reasons, again a team should have the option to simply remove his cap hit entirely and pay the insurance premium.

Definitely time to allow for franchise tagging, even just one player per team.

Another option I'd like to see would be luxury tax penalties that allow teams to go over the cap by X% and pay for it. But to make it equitable the penalty would be more than just monetary, I'm thinking like the forfeiture of draft position. Stanley Cup winner picks last every year? Not anymore, now the team who exceeded the cap by the most picks last.

The current system is getting stupid, another few years and the only place for star players to sign at market value will be Arizona, Columbus, and Winnipeg.....none of whom will be willing to actually pay them the money because they operate on an internal cap.

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:51 pm Hey Doc, after Big Bruising teams (Caps and Blues) winning the last two Stanley Cups why is Dumbass building the smallest team in the NHL if they are trying to win the cup now? Something isn’t computing here.

Look at the Canucks most recent acquisitions

Myers - 6’-8” 230 lbs
Ferland - 6’-1” 217 lbs
Miller - 6’-1” - 200 lbs
Benn - 6’-2” - 200lbs
Podkozlin - 6’-1” 200 lbs
Hoglander - 5’-9” 190 lbs (Swedish Stan Smyl)

Let me ask you Doc, what GM is better tuned in with the trend!

Dude when you're right, you're right.

Benning is a genius and Dubas is a dunce.

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:45 pm
If an employee isn't living up to his contract there should be a clause that allows his dismissal, albeit a shit-canning with some hefty compensation, and there shouldn't be a pound of flesh exacted from the people who want to part ways with a sack of shit performer. Reasonably I'd say a buyout should be allowed with a maximum recapture style penalty of 20% for no more than 2 years.....the player still gets his cash though.

I don't know how it could be implemented but, Ya! Right on...
Been saying it for years.
I actually think there are circumstances that would be applicable.
Point production wouldn't ever be one but attitude, maybe.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:21 pm

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:51 pm Hey Doc, after Big Bruising teams (Caps and Blues) winning the last two Stanley Cups why is Dumbass building the smallest team in the NHL if they are trying to win the cup now? Something isn’t computing here.

Look at the Canucks most recent acquisitions

Myers - 6’-8” 230 lbs
Ferland - 6’-1” 217 lbs
Miller - 6’-1” - 200 lbs
Benn - 6’-2” - 200lbs
Podkozlin - 6’-1” 200 lbs
Hoglander - 5’-9” 190 lbs (Swedish Stan Smyl)

Let me ask you Doc, what GM is better tuned in with the trend!

Dude when you're right, you're right.

Benning is a genius and Dubas is a dunce.

Tuna, your contributions are welcomed on this puzzling tiny players team building approach by Dumbass that do not mirror the playoff trends of today’s NHL

micky107 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:15 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:45 pm
If an employee isn't living up to his contract there should be a clause that allows his dismissal, albeit a shit-canning with some hefty compensation, and there shouldn't be a pound of flesh exacted from the people who want to part ways with a sack of shit performer. Reasonably I'd say a buyout should be allowed with a maximum recapture style penalty of 20% for no more than 2 years.....the player still gets his cash though.

I don't know how it could be implemented but, Ya! Right on...
Been saying it for years.
I actually think there are circumstances that would be applicable.
Point production wouldn't ever be one but attitude, maybe.

I think point production would be the key one.....obviously it would be something that certain criteria would apply to, but when you sign a guy for $6M with the expectation that he will produce at his recent level, and he comes in at 50 or 60 percent of that level, you need be able to cut bait. You pay for performance, and you aren't doling out 7% of your total salary cap to a guy just because he's a good ole' boy. Pay him the guarantee and be done with it.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kev ... issed-off/

Sportsnet Article wrote:Shattenkirk had offers from six or seven teams in total, according to Whyno — reportedly including the Toronto Maple leaves and Winnipeg Jets — but opted to sign with the Bolts.

Apparently he's not pissed off enough to go and do something really stupid though.....

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:05 pm https://theathletic.com/1109845/2019/08 ... =twittered

Mirtle saying Leaves have offered Marner $9M - $11M depending on the term.

Apparently that's not enough for Marner.

Looks like they'll be forced to trade mitch the bitch unfortunately for those of us that relish in the laughs perpetual failings.
The return could potentially exceed the value of MM although with dumbass throwing picks and cash around like cheque day on the rez anything is possible as long as its a stupid move.

Mitch is going nowhere.