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The absence of Ps doesn't make team team worse. It makes the depth worse. If they sign Skille instead, they obviously like him more. I can live with that. He looked okay in the preseason, and neither of the Ps are likely to turn into stars, but they likely score more than Skille. We'll see.

Remember Detroit's pick for getting rid of Datsyuk? turned into Chychrun who just made the Coyotes team, granted their defense wasn't that deep to begin with..

First, the newbies: 18-year-old Jakob Chychrun (16th overall, ’16), 19-year-old Dylan Strome (third overall, ’15), 19-year-old Lawson Crouse (11th overall, ’15) and 20-year-old Christian Dvorak (58th overall, ’14) are all set to make their big league debuts when the Coyotes open against Philly on Saturday.

They’ll be joined by the “old guard” — Max Domi (21 years old), Anthony Duclair (21) and Laurent Dauphin (21), all of whom have varied experience at the NHL level.

It’s an attention-grabbing bit of news from the desert, to say the least.

Head coach Dave Tippett will have his work cut out for him this season. Chychrun, Strome, Crouse and Dvorak are all making the leap directly from junior hockey, and there’s bound to be a significant learning curve ahead.

That said, Tippett seems ready for the challenge.

Aside from being regarded as one of the NHL’s best coaches, Tippett gained some valuable experience coaching younger players at the World Cup, where he was on Todd McLellan’s Team North America staff.

“Young or old, you just want good players,” Tippett said following the tourney, per TSN. “And so many of the young players today are very good players.”

SKYO wrote:Remember Detroit's pick for getting rid of Datsyuk? turned into Chychrun who just made the Coyotes team, granted their defense wasn't that deep to begin with..

First, the newbies: 18-year-old Jakob Chychrun (16th overall, ’16), 19-year-old Dylan Strome (third overall, ’15), 19-year-old Lawson Crouse (11th overall, ’15) and 20-year-old Christian Dvorak (58th overall, ’14) are all set to make their big league debuts when the Coyotes open against Philly on Saturday.

They’ll be joined by the “old guard” — Max Domi (21 years old), Anthony Duclair (21) and Laurent Dauphin (21), all of whom have varied experience at the NHL level.

It’s an attention-grabbing bit of news from the desert, to say the least.

Head coach Dave Tippett will have his work cut out for him this season. Chychrun, Strome, Crouse and Dvorak are all making the leap directly from junior hockey, and there’s bound to be a significant learning curve ahead.

That said, Tippett seems ready for the challenge.

Aside from being regarded as one of the NHL’s best coaches, Tippett gained some valuable experience coaching younger players at the World Cup, where he was on Todd McLellan’s Team North America staff.

“Young or old, you just want good players,” Tippett said following the tourney, per TSN. “And so many of the young players today are very good players.”

Doan's pills like sand in the petroleum jelly.

Eichel suffers a high ankle sprain in practice and will start the season on IR. Tough blow for the kid. Those high ankle sprains are a bitch.

Quick out with lower body injury. On IR, listed as week to week.

E. Kane to miss "weeks" after breaking three ribs. My experience, 8-12 week recovery but then I wasn't an athlete.

Linholm skating in Sweden as Ducks sign Rakel leaving no cap left, barely any at any rate.

So Buffalo is already well on its way to drafting Nolan Patrick.

Quick to miss 3-4 MONTHS with a groin injury. LA on the hunt for a number one. A girl can dream.

I like Miller and I applauded Benning's move to sign him. I think he bought us time for Markstrom to find his game. But heck, if we can turn him into a pick and some assets I'd be all for that. Bachman getting lit up today in Utica but I'd still bring him up as Markstrom's backup. Too bad Benning wouldn't.

Hockey Widow wrote:Quick to miss 3-4 MONTHS with a groin injury. LA on the hunt for a number one. A girl can dream.

I like Miller and I applauded Benning's move to sign him. I think he bought us time for Markstrom to find his game. But heck, if we can turn him into a pick and some assets I'd be all for that. Bachman getting lit up today in Utica but I'd still bring him up as Markstrom's backup. Too bad Benning wouldn't.

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Hockey Widow wrote:Quick to miss 3-4 MONTHS with a groin injury. LA on the hunt for a number one. A girl can dream.

I like Miller and I applauded Benning's move to sign him. I think he bought us time for Markstrom to find his game. But heck, if we can turn him into a pick and some assets I'd be all for that. Bachman getting lit up today in Utica but I'd still bring him up as Markstrom's backup. Too bad Benning wouldn't.

Won't work. Kings would likely need to shed quite a bit of cap (Miller $6mil, Quick $5.8), fine while LITR holds through and they have ~$1.5 million of space to take up the shortfall.

What happens when Quick returns?

Isn't Bachman Vegas bait?

Hockey Widow wrote:Quick to miss 3-4 MONTHS with a groin injury. LA on the hunt for a number one. A girl can dream.

I like Miller and I applauded Benning's move to sign him. I think he bought us time for Markstrom to find his game. But heck, if we can turn him into a pick and some assets I'd be all for that. Bachman getting lit up today in Utica but I'd still bring him up as Markstrom's backup. Too bad Benning wouldn't.

I very much like your plan, but agree that Benning wouldn't.

Yeah the Kings have less cap space than the Canucks as it is so trying to trade for $6M cap hit Miller would be pretty tough.

They'd love to deal Dustin Brown, but he has 6 years left on that deal aha.

We'd have to retain salary like 40-50% and then take on a contract or two like Dwight King and or Greene, and maybe we get a pick for that.

Then we'd have to find a backup of our own, is it really worth it?

SKYO wrote:Then we'd have to find a backup of our own, is it really worth it?

My belief that it would be worth it rests on several assumptions:

1) The Canucks aren't winning the Cup this year, anyway.

2) Miller won't be here when they do win the Cup, so he's not an important part of that plan.

3) The most likely scenario is that Miller's contract expires and no assets are returned for him.
(No assets were expended to acquire him either, so that's a wash, but there might be an opportunity, here.)

4) The Kings feel they are in a fairly desperate position, and would be willing to slightly over-pay.
(As, for example, the Vikings had to for Bradford.)

5) Over-paying would mean offering something the Canucks want and could use.

I'm reasonably confident of the first 3. I don't know about 4 and 5. If the Kings either aren't willing to give up much, or just don't have anything the Canucks want, then no, it wouldn't be worth it, but I would have called the idea worth exploring. I agree with HW that Benning's idea of an over-payment that would be worth it is probably much higher than mine.

SKYO wrote:Yeah the Kings have less cap space than the Canucks as it is so trying to trade for $6M cap hit Miller would be pretty tough.

They'd love to deal Dustin Brown, but he has 6 years left on that deal aha.

We'd have to retain salary like 40-50% and then take on a contract or two like Dwight King and or Greene, and maybe we get a pick for that.

Then we'd have to find a backup of our own, is it really worth it?

Realistically, the only goalie the Canucks have that would work in a deal with LA is Bachman and that wont happen.
They will no doubt find a recycled padman with NHL experience floating around out there somewhere.
Good luck with that.

Some of you just don't get it.

You don't trade your #1 to a division rival at the start of the season.

What kind of message would you be sending to your team?

It's not always good "asset management" to get some small asset for a soon-to-be-UFA

(rather than let him walk).

Sending a shit message to the rest of your "assets" is bad "asset management".

Why mess with their heads?

Also, we all know the goaltending plan is extremely solid moving forward, why would we mess with that?

Jimmy would have to be a soulless SOB to trade Miller at this point... and he's not, thank God.

Strangelove wrote:Also, we all know the goaltending plan is extremely solid moving forward, why would we mess with that?

Agreed, that's why I would have considered Miller expendable.

Strangelove wrote:Some of you just don't get it....Why mess with their heads?

Jimmy would have to be a soulless SOB to trade Miller at this point... and he's not, thank God.

It's true, I usually forget to account for the psychological impacts of trades. My default mindset is to suppose them to be calculating professionals who want to maximize the chance of adding "Stanley Cup Champion" to their resumes, but of course many of them are still really just kids playing a game, and they have to make a considerable emotional investment in their prospects each game to get through a season.

I suppose, then, that another important variable would be how the team feels about ol' Millsy, and how they would feel about the changes to their chances resulting from whoever came back in the trade. I honestly cannot speak to that. To take an extreme example, though, I have to suppose that if the Kings gave up Kopitar for Miller straight up, everyone on the Canucks except Granlund would have to be delighted. More realistically -- and what I was contemplating and hoping for -- assets that would help them win next year or the year after (when they might, with a lot of luck in terms of player development/resistance to effects of age, actually have another real chance at the whole thing) might be less well received. I've never heard an NHL player address the issue, so I'd have to take your word on that.