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[Blob Mckenzie]

I just noticed the thread title. Arachnid was probably dreaming of chomping on a cock when he typed that out.

[Per]

This is actually an article about the Brexit, but it's a vital reminder of how costly it would be to throw out immigrants and close the borders, as one of the candidates in the US presidential election also would like to do:

The food-processing, farming and hospitality industries rely on low-cost labour from eastern Europe. Cutting it off would create labour shortages that would force firms to adapt their business models: more automation, higher wages or just closing down. Employers may also demand a scheme to admit temporary low-skilled workers.

... a big risk is that tighter migration controls will simply mean more illegal migration. Illegal immigrants are less likely than legal ones to pay taxes, receive the minimum wage or secure normal employment or health-and-safety protections.

Far from stealing jobs, EU migrants take ones that natives spurn; Britain’s employment rate is at a record high. Since they tend to be young, employed and taxpaying, migrants are net contributors to the state. For that reason they should ease, not raise, pressure on public services and housing — though there is a case for a “migrant impact fund” to channel their taxes towards more local public spending.

Post-Brexit curbs on migration will do economic damage. Other EU leaders have made clear that they also imply more limited British access to the EU’s single market, delivering a further hit to the economy.

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... drawbridge

There are 1.2 million Britons living elsewhere in Europe. If the UK abolishes free movement for EU Citizens, what will happen to them? Will they also get kicked out of their current homes in a gesture of reciprocity?

[ukcanuck]

This seems very true and has me wondering about "the trickle-down effect".

Do supporters take on the traits of Donald/Hillary?

For example, take the two most blatant outspoken Hillary-lovers in this thread.



They have accused... moi... (a Trump supporter?) of saying mean things!

How is it I'm a Hillary lover exactly? As far as I can remember I've not posted anything in favour of Hillary other than to expose one one of your links accusing her of getting a rapist off lightly and to laugh about it 30 odd years later as false and inaccurate. In that particular case I was not interested in supporting Hillary but rather to expose the inaccuracies in your overly right-leaning erection campaign.

They have also spread nothing but lies about yours truly:

Technically speaking I've merely accused you of championing a particular political bent and anyone who has followed your position on numerous different discussions would come to the natural conclusion that are the accusations below.

"libertarian"....

Actually somewhere in this thread I believe I called you a supporter of the bad kind of libertarianism:

"Right-libertarians value the social institutions that enforce conditions of capitalism, while rejecting institutions that function in opposition to these institutions...that maintain only those functions of government necessary to maintain conditions of capitalism. They defend wage labor, land rents, socio-economic inequality, inheritance, and uneven concentrations of wealth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

I don't think I'm far off...

"Zionist"…

what else do you call someone who refuses to accept any criticism of Israel and thinks it cool to bomb schools and homes as long as they call ahead first?

“Anarcho-Capitalist”… “paleo-conservative”... "right wing conservative"

See "right-libertarian" above...

“elitist Jew”...

Even a goose stepper like me knows its exceedingly difficult to be jewish and protestant at the same time

“Climate Change denier”...

Je ne comprends pas? is it not so...yes?

“a member of the Moral Majority”... “homophobic”
one who “falsely identifies a PEDOPHILE as a PEDOPHILE”
one who “doesn’t understand gay rights because he ID’s a PEDOPHILE as a PEDOPHILE”

(yes all lies, the last two comments being, as they say, "Crazy Like Hillary")

we'll get around to these yet, this thread needs this derailment like it needs Griz' education on his creationism folly.

All this from a guy who had to be forced out of the AGW closet…

http://www.canuckscorner.com/forums/vie ... 25#p263725

…. only to then proceed on a full-blown copy-N-paste AGW crusade!

This is actually true, I came into this debate leaning on the fence but the outrageousness of the posts trying to debunk science of global warming AND anthropogenic global warming pushed me firmly into the arms of reasonableness and science.

(all the while screaming it’s a political issue)

still not one word acknowledging that all your links are from committed conservative sources.
#followthemoney...

… and yes, all the while crying about “mean things” yours truly says.

That was Tweedledee, then there was Tweedledum who called yours truly:

A “short, fat and balding… cowardly little fuck who may watch child porn”

A “punk ass mother fucker”… who might be “tracked down”

(presumably by a deranged psychopath)

Yup, like Hillary these “mama’s boys” spread psycho-lies whilst calling one in the other camp “mean”.

Honest Doc, I don't think your mean. I think you employ diversionary tactics to focus on.." the social institutions that enforce conditions of capitalism, while rejecting institutions that function in opposition to these institutions...that maintain only those functions of government necessary to maintain conditions of capitalism. They defend wage labor, land rents, socio-economic inequality, inheritance, and uneven concentrations of wealth."

Things that make you go HMMM!!

Indeed.

[Mickey107]

I will be chastised, called a fool, be told I don't know anything and on and on about the post that I am going to make right now.

Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

Hillary has a slate and if you took a bulldozer and worked it till it ran out of that nasty stuff we call fuel, you may find that slate, after removing all the soil, dirt, decomposing shredded paper, etc.

[Cornuck]

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Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

So does Forest Gump, but that doesn't mean he should be running a country.

[Topper]

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Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

So does Forest Gump, but that doesn't mean he should be running a country.

Chance Gardener

[Per]

I will be chastised, called a fool, be told I don't know anything and on and on about the post that I am going to make right now.

Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

Hillary has a slate and if you took a bulldozer and worked it till it ran out of that nasty stuff we call fuel, you may find that slate, after removing all the soil, dirt, decomposing shredded paper, etc.

Well, Donald may have a clean slate politically, but only because he's a total n00b in that field.

And because he doesn't know the first thing about these things he can come up with his hare brained ideas, such as:

- Building the wall. Do you have any ideas what the construction cost would be? And maintenance? And no, Mexico won't pay. Furthermore, the immigrants are the fuel of the American economy. Historically the countries that take in the most immigrants have blossomed. The very reason the US has been so successful as a nation is that the US has welcomed immigrants with open arms, when most other countries did not.

- Publicly state that he may not honour the NATO treaty, and fail to assist members attacked by Russia. Even if he harbours such deceitful thoughts, he should keep them to himself. The very uttering of these words weakens NATO. If Putin isn't certain that the US will honour its obligations, he might be willing to gamble and attack neighbouring NATO countries, such as Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania or Poland. Trump has not even been elected, but is already making the world a less safe place.

- Stating that he would renegotiate US debt, and hinting that he might be able to halve it. Seriously? This is what third world countries do. OK, I know, this is how Trump does business. He agrees on a contract, then when the work is done, he refuses to pay. Then he renogotiates and pays less than what was originally agreed. He is a con man by nature. Check it up. There are dozens of companies that he has run into the ground by not paying them what he owed them. And his multiple bankruptcies are part of this scheme of enriching himself while screwing every one else. Anyway, the major flaw in this idea of his, to renegotiate US debt, lies in that this would mean the US would lose its AAA rating and next time the US needs a loan, it's going to cost a lot more, if anyone is even willing to step up to the plate. Who will buy US bonds once Trump has made it clear that they are junk bonds?
In the business world it may work, he can always find new losers to con. Now that American banks won't lend him money, due to him screwing them over before, he has gotten into bed with the Russians. They still believe in him. So anyway, if you want a president that strives to make the US as credit worthy as Brazil or Greece, Trump's your man!

- The nukes. I mean, come on. When briefed on US security he asks "if we have nukes, why don't we use them?"
Sure, it's often stated thst there are no stupid questions, but fuck - that's a stupid question.

- Not allowing any Muslims into the USA. Right. And how are crucial US allies like the Saudis, Jordan and Turkey going to feel about this? Also, what happened to freedom of religion? And how are you going to check? Afaik passports don't mention religion. Well, back in Nazi Germany they would stamp the passports of Jews with a J, but apart from the nazis, I don't think anyone has ever stated religion in passports. So are you going to ask people? Make them take a quiz? Apart from this idea being evil, it is also stupid, as it cannot be enforced.

- Torturing and killing family members of terrorists. Seriously? I don't know how many laws this would violate, international law, the Geneva convention, the bill of rights, the US constitution, etc. He must have been watching Game of Thrones too much, because this sounds truly medieval. Or fascist. It has no place in a democratic society where we respect the rule of law.

- Abandoning free trade. What can I say? The country will go down the drain. A new North Korea. Or Spain under Franco. Or Argentina under Peron. Or the Soviet Union. All economic disasters. Anyone who knows anything about economics knows this is a bad idea.

As for that slate, if you look at his slate from the business world... Well, it's covered in mafia ties (well, if you were building houses in New York and Atlantic City in the 70's and 80's, probably hard to avoid), discrimination against minorities, use of illegal immigrant workers, sexual harassment, operating a school without a license to do so, calling said school a university eventhough it did not in any way qualify as such, constantly refusing to pay what he owes contractors, suing pretty much anyone over anything, a series of bankruptcies, violating the rules of the casino business... It just goes on and on.

The man has no moral, no scruples, no empathy. He has constantly cheated on his many wives, and he brags about it. If you thought Clinton's womanizing was bad, how do you deal with this?

[Per]

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Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

So does Forest Gump, but that doesn't mean he should be running a country.

Chance Gardener

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[Mickey107]

I will be chastised, called a fool, be told I don't know anything and on and on about the post that I am going to make right now.

Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

Hillary has a slate and if you took a bulldozer and worked it till it ran out of that nasty stuff we call fuel, you may find that slate, after removing all the soil, dirt, decomposing shredded paper, etc.

Missing the point.

[Cornuck]

... brainwashed the two of them against Trump!

I think trump is doing a fine enough job with his own words and actions to let people form opinions about him.

Once he banned the Washington Post from his campaign, you could see a shift in the media from 'benign reporting on his antics' to 'commenting how his actions do not make him a viable candidate'. He mocks the media at his rallies and casts them as the enemy. How would anyone expect the media to respond?

Anyone who was paying attention when he first started his campaign had already formed their opinions and did not need to be brainwashed. At all.

For those that keep hearing his 'message', they eventually DO get brainwashed into thinking he's a viable candidate for president.

But hey - it must be the media's fault! We're all DOOMED!!!™

[ukcanuck]

About 90% of American Media is owned by six corporations. THAT, Mondi, is the mainstream media.

Hillaryiously, both Mondi and UK are on record as believing THE JEWS control said 90%

... if they're right, THE JEWS may have brainwashed the two of them against Trump!

Well Strange you're the one with the memory that stretches back into pre-history. When did I say the Jews own the media?

I don't know about you but I pointed out that the New York Times has been owned by the same Jewish family since 1896 and I posted a university study claiming that the paper is soft on Israel's actions in Palestine and overly harsh on Palestine attempts to free itself from occupation.

So yeah, from that Doc tars me as the 90 percent Jewish media conspiracy guy ...

A very Christian Zionist thing to do wouldn't you say ?

[ukcanuck]

I will be chastised, called a fool, be told I don't know anything and on and on about the post that I am going to make right now.

Politically, Donald Trump has "A CLEAN SLATE".

Hillary has a slate and if you took a bulldozer and worked it till it ran out of that nasty stuff we call fuel, you may find that slate, after removing all the soil, dirt, decomposing shredded paper, etc.

Missing the point.

You mean besides the one on the top of your head?

[Topper]

cuts up feather pillow.......

[Strangelove]

About 90% of American Media is owned by six corporations. THAT, Mondi, is the mainstream media.

Hillaryiously, both Mondi and UK are on record as believing THE JEWS control said 90%

... if they're right, THE JEWS may have brainwashed the two of them against Trump!

Well Strange you're the one with the memory that stretches back into pre-history. When did I say the Jews own the media?

I don't know about you but I pointed out that the New York Times has been owned by the same Jewish family since 1896 and I posted a university study claiming that the paper is soft on Israel's actions in Palestine and overly harsh on Palestine attempts to free itself from occupation.

So yeah, from that Doc tars me as the 90 percent Jewish media conspiracy guy ...

A very Christian Zionist thing to do wouldn't you say ?

Well of course you boys deny it in the light of day, but in the passion of the moment you let things slip:

You are completely out of touch with reality and should avoid any/all Israeli–Palestinian debates.

Don't sweat it though, a lot of hardcore leftists become paranoid & delusional over time.

Just the way she goes....

Israel is monitored very closely in these matters.

They warn palestinian citizens where needed/possible, they are famous for this...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... ut-to-bomb

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/20 ... ass-threat

http://jcpa.org/article/hamas-israel-co ... al-points/

I could offer up thousands of links.

Google is your friend.

Jewish owned newspapers and clearly biased voices

You accept what you accept because it falls in line with what you already believe.

I do the same.

You'd be surprised to learn that some of us actually pride ourselves on discerning the truth.

As a matter of fact, we consider anything less to be uncivilized.

Hard to believe you're a teacher.

UK: "Kids, burn your history books and just believe whatever you want to believe."

Is Israel included in your geography text books over there?

Thanks for finally admitting you choose to believe any/all unsubstantiated negative crap about Israel at face value.

And ignore anything positive about Israel no matter how well documented.

Well documented?

It doesn't make something well documented if it's reported over and over in a syndicated newspaper

The New York Times is wholly owned by a Jewish family who are clearly apart of the established jewish dominated media community in North America.

The same interest group that has funded american geopolitics for the last hundred or so years.

The same interest group that cut its teeth in propaganda in two world wars

There's more where that came from.

BTW Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr, Publisher of NYTimes since 1992 is only half-jewish by birth

... and was raised Episcopalian by his English/Scottish single mom.

Mondi's "pre-history" would be available if the gimp hadn't deleted everything...

More integral to the "brainwashed by the jews" theme though is the fact American Jews are 75% Dems!

So yeah, if they're doing any brainwashing at all... they're brainwashing folks to vote Hillary et al.

[Strangelove]

Anyone who was paying attention when he first started his campaign had already formed their opinions and did not need to be brainwashed. At all.

Yeah that's exactly what... they ... want you to believe.