Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

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Topper wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:18 am Does anyone believe trading JT is the magic bullet to unlocking Scooter's potential?

So Scooter continues to play as Scooter does, what next?
On character.....

Throughout his ELC the question on Pettersson was his commitment level to the overall goal versus commitment to his own brand.

After the first year of his bridge deal questions remained at times. He put in some work that summer and had breakout 102 point season in year two. He followed that up in the first 35 games of his contract year by scoring at a similar pace. When contract talks started, and he wasn't getting what he wanted, he held out. He couldn't deal with the distraction of the business side of things and his play faltered.....but he still held out despite the on-ice evidence that his value wasn't what it was assumed to be. Management then gave him the money and he couldn't turn it around. Whether because the expectations are too much for a fragile ego, or because he now has his money and doesn't feel he has to earn it.

On skill and hockey sense.....

Elite hockey IQ, very slick hands, and outstanding passing. Not great on face-offs for a guy being billed as a 1C. Smart defensively, outstanding at disrupting passes with his stick and taking away shooting lanes with good positioning.

On physique.....

A rail. He either doesn't put the work into putting on mass, or his body simply doesn't possess the genetics. His skating is subpar for someone that management is trying to build around as a 1C, good open-ice speed but minimal explosiveness and poor lateral movement, weak on his edges. Easily pushed off the puck. This has been consistent for 6 years, and in season number 7 there are no signs of it changing. At 26 years of age you have what you have whether it be work ethic or genetics.

It was incredibly foolish of management to commit to building around someone who was clearly not going to be the next Gretzky-Datsyuk. He should have been seen as the type of player that a team needs to support the core.....albeit an elite one. You pay him what JT got or you move him out and look for someone else.
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Re: Re-booted SKYO approved pipe dreams and trade ideas

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As much as I’m kicking myself for buying a Miller jersey this season, he makes the most sense in terms of shaking up the core. Would he waive his NMC for the Rags? Drury probably still has a hard-on for Miller, but there should be a reasonable market for Miller anyway.
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Topper wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:18 am Does anyone believe trading JT is the magic bullet to unlocking Scooter's potential?

So Scooter continues to play as Scooter does, what next?
At this point it's probably worth the gamble, not much to lose now...
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Miller committed here because his family loves the area and his wife has a thriving business locally.

(...see the article I posted yesterday...)

.....this could get uglier yet.
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donlever wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:41 pm Miller committed here because his family loves the area and his wife has a thriving business locally.

(...see the article I posted yesterday...)

.....this could get uglier yet.
So if we go with Miller and trade Pettersson, JT bounces back because his home life is what he and his wife want it to be?

I'd say that's as likely as Pettersson returning to form if we move out Miller.

Where it becomes more dubious is if there is truth to the rumours that more than just Pettersson have a problem with JT. If there's friction between Miller and Hughes, or even guys like Boeser, DeBrusk, Hronek,and Myers, then this is a much bigger problem (obviously).

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Mëds wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:46 pm So if we go with Miller and trade Pettersson, JT bounces back because his home life is what he and his wife want it to be?
Is that what I said?
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donlever wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:55 pm
Mëds wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:46 pm So if we go with Miller and trade Pettersson, JT bounces back because his home life is what he and his wife want it to be?
Is that what I said?
No. Hence my use of a question mark.

Was wondering if anyone (yourself included) thinks that is in play in part of a potential equation.
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I'm not yet 100% sold Miller is an issue.

JT is not the first NHL player with a pissed off attitude.

I'm more concerned we have a bench full of slugs and pussies.

(...a question mark does not negate the challenge in a statement...you clearly forgot the winkie...)

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donlever wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:23 pm JT is not the first NHL player with a pissed off attitude.
Tocchet? Foote?

Passionate. Piss n vinegar. Often held teammates to account and probably hated by more than a few of them over the years.

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donlever wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:23 pm I'm not yet 100% sold Miller is an issue.

JT is not the first NHL player with a pissed off attitude.

I'm more concerned we have a bench full of slugs and pussies.

(...a question mark does not negate the challenge in a statement...you clearly forgot the winkie...)

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My bad. Certainly no challenge intended.

I also hadn’t seen the article you posted. Just found it.

I definitely think the ask to waive has contributed to what we’re seeing. 3 kids, 2 dogs, both he and the missus have careers here and building a family life. He gave the team a discount and was rewarded with the NMC…..for a hockey player that sort of stability allows the family side to develop, so it’s huge.

Then 18 months later the team asks him to move because their pouty young superstar is a pussy who can’t handle being challenged by an alpha asshole…..this in a sport and league where asshole alphas are what often sets the pace for championships.
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Yeah, that's pretty much where I am with it as well until moved off that opinion by different intel....
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I mentioned Nemec in here yesterday with respect to a Miller to the NJD's deal.

Canucks Army threw Dawson Mercer out there.

Work something around those players with nips and tucks as needed?
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Different conversations if he was 28 not 32 methinks
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rats19 wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:55 pm Different conversations if he was 28 not 32 methinks
For sure...adds are on us.

But.

Devils have to be thinking 2 - 3 legit Cup runs with this group in the fairly short term.

Plus it would be GREAT to see Miller fuck the Rangers over as a Devil.

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donlever wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:36 pm Yeah, that's pretty much where I am with it as well until moved off that opinion by different intel....
And maybe they didn't ask him to waive but instead confronted him with the issues and told him to clean up his act and he took that message hard and asked for time to deal with it. Who the fuck knows. It may all be overblown media hype and the problems run deeper. Like we have a bad team.
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