ukcanuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:14 pm
A coordinated systematic attack on the most sophisticated secure election system on earth in just exactly the right states to tip the election in Biden’s favor and...D’Oh! Foiled by postmarking the ballots so that they were received before they were supposedly sent?!
You've changed man!
To wit...
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:54 am
Putting aside whether trump colluded or tried to cover it up, it seems consensus that the Russians did in fact tamper with the US election process in Trumps favour.
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:22 pm
The question though is this move a payoff for Putin’s help in getting [Trump] elected?
Topper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:54 am
The questions are, why were the Soviets allowed to tamper and what was done to prevent and mitigate tampering.
End of the day, the Soviets got caught doing what most powerful nations do in other sovereign elections.
Those are valid questions and raises even more questions about how powerful the office of the president really isn’t.
But why Trump as the preferred candidate for the Russians is still a more interesting element of the whole Mueller affair.
I see your point but I think these statements don’t contradict each other. I don’t think anyone ever said the Russians actually interfered in the mechanism of voting. Bribing election officials or hacking voting machines or flooding mail in ballots.
The mueller report was fairly clear on the way the Russians tried to manipulate citizens to vote for Trump. The question that Democrats and their supporters were asking was did Trump knowingly take advantage of the situation. I guess in hindsight, seeing how poorly Trump handled the pandemic in the early stages and how he is stumbling now I guess I gave him too much credit. He isn’t that smart.
Anyway it’s actually your fault. You almost convinced me he was actually a smart business man.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:15 am
by ukcanuck
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:10 am
Fuck do we ever need hockey back. This thread is leading our site traffic with all the political horseradish.
5th, Mëds, doc, uk, per...heres a newsflash you can trust:
There isnt a politician alive who is a decent human being. Theyre all on the take. Its just some are better at hiding it and looking like theyre honourable than others
Amen Wiz
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:28 am
by Topper
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:49 am
by 5thhorseman
The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:10 am
Fuck do we ever need hockey back. This thread is leading our site traffic with all the political horseradish.
5th, Mëds, doc, uk, per...heres a newsflash you can trust:
There isnt a politician alive who is a decent human being. Theyre all on the take. Its just some are better at hiding it and looking like theyre honourable than others
Yah, we definitely we need hockey back. We're all going gaga over a girl playing chess for god's sakes.
But saying every politician is crooked is a bit of a cop-out from dealing with a complex situation. I don't believe every politician is crooked, but even if they are, most probably some are much more crooked than others. And even among the equally crooked, they have different priorities and policies that we need to choose between to match our own priorities. Life is about compromises, man, there's no utopia beyond the bong.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:01 pm
by Strangelove
Per wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:27 pm
Yeah, plenty of fake news and hearsay but so far nothing that has held up in court.
Sworn affidavits and video evidence is "fake news and hearsay"??
And as I've told you, it's not about what HAS held up in court... it's about what WILL hold up in court.
Supreme Court of the United States.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:02 pm
by Strangelove
Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:29 am
I've always enjoyed how Per (and his posse of leftist cronies) are willing to accept the reports that evidence against their high and mighty leftwing cause is false, however remain suspicious, or outright reject, reports that vindicate the opposing side.
Hey look at us! We're open-minded, free-thinking, equal-rights, leftists! You'd know this if you could actually see out from under the jackboots that we're trampling you with!
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:08 pm
by Strangelove
ukcanuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:14 am
I see your point but I think these statements don’t contradict each other. I don’t think anyone ever said the Russians actually interfered in the mechanism of voting. Bribing election officials or hacking voting machines or flooding mail in ballots.
Per wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:27 pm
Yeah, plenty of fake news and hearsay but so far nothing that has held up in court.
Sworn affidavits and video evidence is "fake news and hearsay"??
And as I've told you, it's not about what HAS held up in court... it's about what WILL hold up in court.
Supreme Court of the United States.
If you do not believe me, maybe you trust Attorney General William Barr, one of Trump’s most ardent minions?
WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
His comments come despite President Donald Trump’s repeated claims that the election was stolen, and his refusal to concede his loss to President-Elect Joe Biden.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but they’ve uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.
“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election,” Barr told the AP.
The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies.
"AP is leading Americans to believe Barr says there's no fraud. NOT TRUE.
In fact, Barr said this has to go through Civil Courts and not through DOJ for reasons below. It would take too long for one."
"(Barr) said 'the remedy' is with Civil Courts, which it is, which is what #Trump's lawyers and Sidney Powell are doing. The criminal punishment with DOJ will take years, & even then, only IF we get a civil "remedy" & correct the results. Otherwise, it's going away if #Biden gets in."
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16 *AND* 20
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:22 pm
by SKYO
All six battleground states — Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada — have now finalized their election results, cementing Joe Biden's victory.
All six battleground states — Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada — have now finalized their election results, cementing Joe Biden's victory.
All six battleground states — Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada — have now finalized their election results, cementing Joe Biden's victory.
