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Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:25 pm
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:11 am
Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:50 am
5thhorseman wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:51 am
Mëds wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:02 pm Identifying as Christian and being Christian can be entirely different things.
This is how Christians avoid responsibility for their faith. "Oh, so and so did something evil. Well, they're not TRUE Christians."

The true Christians do no wrong. It's all the fake Christians giving us a bad name.

May as well replace "Christian" with "BLM".
So you believe that one person should be held accountable for the actions of another person?
I believe a faith should be judged by the actions (or inactions) of its believers.
Hmmm.....and I think a faith should be judged by its founding doctrine.
Christianity's founding doctrine is that Jesus is God.

So Christianity should be judged by whether Jesus actually is God?

And of course, whether you believe Jesus is God depends on whether you're a Christian.

Aren't you getting dizzy with this circular logic Mëds?
Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:25 pmIs every scientist a murderer (or condoning of) then? Because it's science that has allowed advances in every area, and I can't think of one area that hasn't been use for ill intent. Physics gave us the atomic Bomb. Biology and chemistry gave us chemical warfare.....and Covid-19 from the sounds of it. :P
Maybe it's the wine but I'm stumped trying to figure out this analogy of yours Mëds. If "science" is analogous to "Christianity", then what is the analogue to the scientist murderer?
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5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:56 pm
Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:25 pm
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:11 am
Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:50 am
5thhorseman wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:51 am
Mëds wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:02 pm Identifying as Christian and being Christian can be entirely different things.
This is how Christians avoid responsibility for their faith. "Oh, so and so did something evil. Well, they're not TRUE Christians."

The true Christians do no wrong. It's all the fake Christians giving us a bad name.

May as well replace "Christian" with "BLM".
So you believe that one person should be held accountable for the actions of another person?
I believe a faith should be judged by the actions (or inactions) of its believers.
Hmmm.....and I think a faith should be judged by its founding doctrine.
Christianity's founding doctrine is that Jesus is God.

So Christianity should be judged by whether Jesus actually is God?

And of course, whether you believe Jesus is God depends on whether you're a Christian.

Aren't you getting dizzy with this circular logic Mëds?
Mëds wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:25 pmIs every scientist a murderer (or condoning of) then? Because it's science that has allowed advances in every area, and I can't think of one area that hasn't been use for ill intent. Physics gave us the atomic Bomb. Biology and chemistry gave us chemical warfare.....and Covid-19 from the sounds of it. :P
Maybe it's the wine but I'm stumped trying to figure out this analogy of yours Mëds. If "science" is analogous to "Christianity", then what is the analogue to the scientist murderer?
You say that you judge a faith based on the actions or inaction of it's followers.

I'm responding by saying I'm judging the ethics and morality of any scientist based on the fact that some scientists created things that were horribly misappropriated.....but the scientists didn't stop them (inaction).

I'm not actually judging scientists btw.

Jesus created Christianity. People come along and use it as a tool to control populations and rally masses to evil causes (the crusades, the holocaust?, Jesuit inquisitions, residential schools, etc.). Yet you elect to judge the faith rather than the individuals and the actions of said individuals.
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Strangelove wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:49 pm
Per wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:28 pm ... but the nazis thought of Jews as a race rather than a religion.
Yup, Darwinism culminated in the Holocaust.
Lol! :lol:

Yeah, Hitler was certainly to some extent influenced by Darwinism, which he completely misunderstood.

He was also influenced by Nietzsche, whom he misinterpreted as well.




But even more important influences, as acknowledged by Adolf himself, were the antisemitic works of Martin Luther and Henry Ford.
On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word anti-Judaic treatise written in 1543 by the German Reformation leader Martin Luther (1483-1546).

Luther's attitude toward the Jews took different forms during his lifetime. In his earlier period, until 1537 or not much earlier, he wanted to convert Jews to Lutheranism (Protestant Christianity), but failed. In his later period when he wrote On the Jews and Their Lies, he denounced them and urged their persecution.

In the treatise, he argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".

... During World War II, copies of the book were held up by Nazis at rallies, and the prevailing scholarly consensus is that it had a significant impact on the Holocaust.
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Ford's International Jew was translated into German in 1922 and cited as an influence by Baldur von Schirach, one of the Nazi leaders, who stated "I read it and became anti-Semitic. In those days this book made such a deep impression on my friends and myself because we saw in Henry Ford the representative of success, also the exponent of a progressive social policy. In the poverty-stricken and wretched Germany of the time, youth looked toward America, and apart from the great benefactor, Herbert Hoover, it was Henry Ford who to us represented America." Ford is the only American mentioned in Hitler's Mein Kampf, but he is only mentioned once in one sentence, where Hitler writes "Every year makes them [American Jews] more and more the controlling masters of the producers in a nation of one hundred and twenty millions; only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew
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5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
Strangelove wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:32 am
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:11 am I believe a faith should be judged by the actions (or inactions) of its believers.
Great, then it's settled.

BLM is a violent gang of raping looting murdering psychopaths...
I'll take looters ahead of pedo priests any day of the week. :)
Damn, I keep forgetting those motherfucking Catholics are classified as Christians...
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Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:29 pm Damn, I keep forgetting those motherfucking Catholics are classified as Christians...
Don't forget this guy! :D

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I don't know who that is, but yes, televangelists are as embarrassing as hell. :oops:

Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
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Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
All of them?
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Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm I don't know who that is, but yes, televangelists are as embarrassing as hell. :oops:

Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen

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Cornuck wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:56 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
All of them?
Maybe. Well all but Billy Graham. (not sure if he's classified a televangelist)

I had a lot of respect for Billy Graham... the rest of them can go to hell. (smile)
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rats19 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:56 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm I don't know who that is, but yes, televangelists are as embarrassing as hell. :oops:

Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen

Has a 27 million dollar house.... go figure
Well Per, #5, Mëds, and I have been talking lately about folks "using, misusing, abusing" Christianity.
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Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:29 pm .
^ Thanks for that, Gervais is so awesome! :thumbs:
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:23 pm
Strangelove wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:32 am
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:11 am I believe a faith should be judged by the actions (or inactions) of its believers.
Great, then it's settled.

BLM is a violent gang of raping looting murdering psychopaths...
I'll take looters ahead of pedo priests any day of the week. :)
Damn, I keep forgetting those motherfucking Catholics are classified as Christians...
Yeah, a lot of what they have done is classified. Btw, I think they’re still the majority of Christians, right?

And re the first sentence - you’re welcome. :thumbs:
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Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:15 pm
rats19 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:56 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:39 pm I don't know who that is, but yes, televangelists are as embarrassing as hell. :oops:

Seriously, gotta wonder how many of those mammyrammers are actually in league with the devil...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Osteen

Has a 27 million dollar house.... go figure
Well Per, #5, Mëds, and I have been talking lately about folks "using, misusing, abusing" Christianity.
Well, yeah, a lot of what that Jesus guy said made pretty good sense, but when you look at what has been done in his name - sheesh! :o
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Mëds wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:12 am You say that you judge a faith based on the actions or inaction of it's followers.

I'm responding by saying I'm judging the ethics and morality of any scientist based on the fact that some scientists created things that were horribly misappropriated.....but the scientists didn't stop them (inaction).

I'm not actually judging scientists btw.

Jesus created Christianity. People come along and use it as a tool to control populations and rally masses to evil causes (the crusades, the holocaust?, Jesuit inquisitions, residential schools, etc.). Yet you elect to judge the faith rather than the individuals and the actions of said individuals.
Fair enough, but then let's judge BLM based on its' "doctrine" rather than the actions of any individuals.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

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We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.

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Jesus was an extraterrestrial traveler who stopped in to see how smart these hairless monkeys were getting
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Per wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:23 pm
Strangelove wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:29 pm Damn, I keep forgetting those motherfucking Catholics are classified as Christians...
Yeah, a lot of what they have done is classified. Btw, I think they’re still the majority of Christians, right?
Technically.

I'm just saying in Protestant circles we refer to Protestants of all types as "Christian"

... and Catholics as Catholics.

Where I am, there is not much animosity at all toward Catholics... in fact most of us are respectful.

Of course, as you know, that wasn't always the case in Protestant-Catholic relations :)

... and I personally have no idea how these relations are in other parts of the world these days.

As I've said, I hate religion... and Catholicism is as religious as fuck!

I think all of that religion can be a major stumbling block, but hey every asshole has an opinion.

Although I must say I've met some seemingly very good-hearted Catholics in my time.
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