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Panarin is going to be UFA. Marner is RFA. MASSIVE difference.
If you include assists (Have you heard of those) Nylander is way ahead. Kap won't even hit 50 points, Nylander's hit 60 twice.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:38 pmSo that is the only one of my points you disagree with, good.BigTuna wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:41 pmduh, noStrangelove wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:27 pm - Koncussion Kapanen (who has actually been putting up Nylander numbers)
Nylander has played most of his carreer on Matthews' wing and is a career .69 pts-per-gm guy with a 19-goal pace
(53 goals in 229 games).
Kapanen on Matthews' line is a .62 points-per-game guy with a 23-goal pace (19 goals in 68 games).
No way Wee Willy deserves more cashola than Kapanen or Johnsson.
($3M each on short-term bridge deals)
With a shooting % 5.3. Won't occur again probably in his career.Strangelove wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:39 pmWilly Nilly has scored just 4 GOALS over that period (25 games).BigTuna wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:45 pm From James Mirtle:
William Nylander has produced at a 62-point pace the past two months, about his prior career average. Only Marner, Tavares and Matthews have scored more POINTS among Leaves forwards. Needed six weeks to get up to speed but has been fine since. Predictable.
That's a 12 or 13 goal pace over 82 games.
His 5 assists in the last 3 games playing on Matthews' line has boosted that small sample size of yours.
Hell, my dog could put up as many assists playing on Pigman's wing!
No-contact Nylander is leeching...
I don't follow the leaves and have only seen a couple of games on TV and live this year, but unless he stops playing on the perimeter, he will always have a low shooting percentage...With a shooting % 5.3. Won't occur again probably in his career.
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His career shooting % is higher than the NHL average...rikster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:47 amI don't follow the Leaves and have only seen a couple of games on TV and live this year, but unless he stops playing on the perimeter, he will always have a low shooting percentage...With a shooting % 5.3. Won't occur again probably in his career.
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He probably would if he was negotiating with Dubas.
Do you honestly think that NHL players only compare themselves internally? LOL. What is Rantanen going to do, take 6 million. You are delusional if you think his agent puts up with that.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:32 pmHe probably would if he was negotiating with Dubas.
But in Colorado he doesn't have any massive salaries to point to as precedence. MacKinnon is only making $6.3M, so Rantanen's agent can't point to internal contracts. All he can say is look at how stupid Dubas was in Toronto.....that'll drive the price up and the term down, but not as much because he's RFA, and Sakic isn't a wet behind the ears kid like the GM in Leafville.
Sigh. No I don't think that at all. But it is a negotiating point for agents to use, and it is leverage one way or the other.BigTuna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:55 pmDo you honestly think that NHL players only compare themselves internally? LOL. What is Rantanen going to do, take 6 million. You are delusional if you think his agent puts up with that.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:32 pmHe probably would if he was negotiating with Dubas.
But in Colorado he doesn't have any massive salaries to point to as precedence. MacKinnon is only making $6.3M, so Rantanen's agent can't point to internal contracts. All he can say is look at how stupid Dubas was in Toronto.....that'll drive the price up and the term down, but not as much because he's RFA, and Sakic isn't a wet behind the ears kid like the GM in Leafville.
The funny thing is, Sakic wanted Dubas as Colorado GM.
Rantanen is not setting for 7.5-8 million. LOL. No chance.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:06 pmSigh. No I don't think that at all. But it is a negotiating point for agents to use, and it is leverage one way or the other.BigTuna wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:55 pmDo you honestly think that NHL players only compare themselves internally? LOL. What is Rantanen going to do, take 6 million. You are delusional if you think his agent puts up with that.Mëds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:32 pmHe probably would if he was negotiating with Dubas.
But in Colorado he doesn't have any massive salaries to point to as precedence. MacKinnon is only making $6.3M, so Rantanen's agent can't point to internal contracts. All he can say is look at how stupid Dubas was in Toronto.....that'll drive the price up and the term down, but not as much because he's RFA, and Sakic isn't a wet behind the ears kid like the GM in Leafville.
The funny thing is, Sakic wanted Dubas as Colorado GM.
Colorado has to strike a balance between what the current market is, and what they are paying their best player (MacKinnon). If they give Rantanen $4M more than they are paying Nate.....who is looking at back-to-back years scoring at a 100+ point clip, it's not gonna be the happiest of scenes because how much of Rantanen's production is because of MacKinnon?
Sakic can sit there and tell Rantanen's agent that hey, we want your guy to sign here, we want him long term, but we have to find something that works, and if he wants to sit out and go train in Europe that's his call, but there will be no strong arming. Joe won't blink the way Dubas did, and Rantanen won't follow Nylander's path.
Rantanen will get more than MacKinnon, but I'm betting he gets $7.5-8M on a bridge deal.
The bottom line is that Rantanen isn't negotiating with a GM who just paid 8 figures to a pair of guys who are producing less than he is.....Marner is.
