It's getting warm

[Strangelove]

https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked

PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 29, 1989

UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels
if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.

[Cousin Strawberry]

The "eco-refugees" turned out to be economic benefit hunting refugees

[Mickey107]

U.N getting scads of movie royalties. "The buggers" knew they would.

[Per]

https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

U.N. Predicts Disaster if Global Warming Not Checked

PETER JAMES SPIELMANN June 29, 1989

UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels
if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP.

He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

Shifting climate patterns would bring back 1930s Dust Bowl conditions to Canadian and U.S. wheatlands, while the Soviet Union could reap bumper crops if it adapts its agriculture in time, according to a study by UNEP and the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis.

The most conservative scientific estimate that the Earth’s temperature will rise 1 to 7 degrees in the next 30 years, said Brown.

He said even the most conservative scientists ″already tell us there’s nothing we can do now to stop a ... change″ of about 3 degrees.

Well, it has risen 1.0 degrees since 1960, but only 0.6 since 1989.

Then again, assuming it's an American article, he could be using the outdated and rather quaint Fahrenheit system, if so, the 0.6 degrees Celsius should be multiplied by 1.8, which makes it 1.0 Fahrenheit.

And yes, people say even if we stop emitting CO2 completely, the temperature will still keep rising for quite some time as the warming of the permafrost has it releasing huge amounts of methane, that will keep the warming trend going.

We'll see. I'm optimistic. The transfer from fossil to renewable is taking off, especially in Europe and China, and at the same time they are developing techniques to capture CO2 from the atmosphere and storing it underground, or even better - making graphene out of thin air!
https://www.nationalgrapheneassociation ... -products/

I expect the world to keep warming for a few decades but then stabilize as we at long last do take the measures necessary to rid ourselves of the fossil fuel dependency and instead start reducing the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere with various new methods.

As for the sea levels, they are rising:

Only about 7-8 cm since that article, but roughly 30 cm (a foot in medieval measures) since 1900.

Note that he said that sea levels will rise "up to three feet" when the polar caps melt. That is an ongoing process that might take up to a hundred years, and just three feet is a very conservative estimate of what that would mean. It could rise quite a bit more. As shown in this graph:


Sea levels won't affect Sweden much though, as we are still rising out of the sea since having been weighed down by the ice sheet during the last ice age. Northern Sweden rises from the sea by roughly 1 cm per year, so the 1 metre sea level rise over a century estimated by most scientists is a zero sum game for us. Well, apart from the southern tip, that may get lost eventually. They are already having some problems with increased sea erosion eating away at the coastline.

I assume Canada could be in a similar position as us? You probably also still rise from the sea, right?

It'll be a lot worse for places like Bangladesh, the Maldives, Netherlands and Florida. Do not buy real estate in those places, iykwim...

[Per]

The "eco-refugees" turned out to be economic benefit hunting refugees

Same same.

They say a major contributing fact to the unrest in Syria that spiralled out of control, and lead to the immigration surge in 2016, was farmers giving up in the face of increasing drought and decreasing crops over the past decade and moving into the cities, US 1930's dust bowl style, leading to more and more unemployed and frustrated people demanding change. Then the government started firing at the demonstrators, a civil war started, which then lead to IS, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Kurds, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Russia all wanting to join in.
And occassionally the US with the sporadic line in the sand or bombing.

So yeah, sure. When farmers can't farm, they move elsewhere to try to find economic benefits. That's logical.
So people fleeing climate change could be viewed as economic benefit hunters. Sure.
We all want to eat. We all want our kids to have a bright future. That's just common sense.

Trying to farm the desert as it keeps getting warmer and dryer? Nah. Better move elsewhere.
And if people start shooting at you, keep moving even further.

[Cousin Strawberry]

The masses of benefit hunting refugees are mostly from north african countries rather than syria. Whats their excuse for bypassing "safe" countries like germany and france for countries with fat government handouts like the UK and Sweden?

Free money

[Topper]

late euphemism, since the term climate change has been discredited, $climate emergency$

[Strangelove]

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“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

- Ronald Reagan

[Per]

The masses of benefit hunting refugees are mostly from north african countries rather than syria. Whats their excuse for bypassing "safe" countries like germany and france for countries with fat government handouts like the UK and Sweden?

Free money

Well, Sahara is growing.... And many places in Northern Africa are politically unstable.

I'd just like to note that in absolut numbers Germany was the country that took in most refugees during the 2015-2016 crisis. In numbers relative to population it was probably Sweden, but there are lots of unregistered immigrants in eg Italy and Greece, so they may well compete with us.

Also, it can be of interest to note that only one third of Afghanis requesting asylum in Sweden receive it, while two thirds requesting it in France do, so people bypassing France to ask for asylum in Sweden should probably rethink what they're doing.

Contrary to public belief and the widespread retoric, Sweden is now rather restrictive on immigration issues. Roughly on par with the rest of the EU. It is an effect of problems absorbing the great influx during the refugee crisis.

We really should need to work out a common EU immigration policy, because different countries having different sets of rules is what caused this mess. The "huge wave of immigrants" that came during the crisis was roughly 2.5 million, or equivalent to 0.5 % of the size of the EU population, something that should be easy to absorb and accomodate, and considering the low reproduction rates especially in Eastern and Southern Europe, ought to have been a welcome addition. But because some countries take in none, and others opened their arms, the distribution became very skewed, putting a lot of strain on infrastructure, administration and housing in countries like Sweden, Germany and Austria.

If all EU countries had taken their share, it would have been easily resolved. Since this did not happen, Sweden has had to adjust our rules to what other EU countries do, and also to start check border crossings from Denmark, which really is a nuisance.

Lots of people in Southern Sweden work in Denmark and vice versa. Normally it takes twenty minutes to cross the bridge, but when border checks were introduced it could suddenly take up to two hours. Very disruptive to the local economies, as lots of people could not get to work on time, or were forced to stay in hotels rather than heading home at the end of the work day. We really should not be checking border crossings within the Union.

Oh well. whatevs.

[2Fingers]

Sometimes it is cheaper to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch.

But war is big big big business so that will never happen.

[Strangelove]

Sometimes it is cheaper to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch.

But war is big big big business so that will never happen.

Thermonuclear war is quite cheap actually!

And a nuclear winter would cool the Earth, so pitter patter...

[2Fingers]

Sometimes it is cheaper to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch.

But war is big big big business so that will never happen.

Thermonuclear war is quite cheap actually!

And a nuclear winter would cool the Earth, so pitter patter...

Then finally the environmentalists would be happy

[Per]

Permafrost at outposts in the Canadian Arctic is thawing 70 years earlier than predicted, an expedition has discovered, in the latest sign that the global climate crisis is accelerating even faster than scientists had feared.

A team from the University of Alaska Fairbanks said they were astounded by how quickly a succession of unusually hot summers had destabilised the upper layers of giant subterranean ice blocks that had been frozen solid for millennia.

“What we saw was amazing,” Vladimir Romanovsky, a professor of geophysics at the university, told Reuters. “It’s an indication that the climate is now warmer than at any time in the last 5,000 or more years.“

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ate-crisis

[Per]

US govt being sued for knowing about the greenhouse effect and not taking measures to prevent it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-ch ... 019-06-23/

[Per]

Heat wave hitting continental Europe. 36 C in Berlin today, temperatures may rise above 40 C (that's 104 in American) some places this weekend.

This guy found his own solution to the problem with sticky clothes:

https://twitter.com/PolizeiBB/status/11 ... 25/photo/1

Police officer: "Any idea why we pulled you over?"
Gentleman on the motorbike: "Uhm... Was I going too fast?"
PO: "Guess again!"




We had a guy come over and install an air to air heat pump day before yesterday, so I'm good.
I mean, in the summer you can use it in reverse to cool the house instead.