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Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:39 am
by Chef Boi RD
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:09 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:44 am
All teams deal with injuries. They don’t end up in last place in the league like we do.
Yes, teams who lead the league in man games lost to injury end up 3 1/2 wins out of a playoff position after 30 games....
How is Florida doing without Barkov (done for the season and never played a game this season) and Tkachuk, who hasn’t played this season? They are 18th overall in the league not 32nd like us.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:40 am
by Chef Boi RD
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:38 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:33 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:17 am
If this trade does go down, I think I'm probably done this time.
I'll blunder my own way along.
If the trade is happening the distracted owners and their personal issues with brother Paolo need to pull their heads out of their asses and ask Rutherford to step down and then bring in a new Pres to manage the situation with an untainted fresh pair of eyes. I don’t trust Rutherford to do well on this trade if there is a trade.
I find it peculiar how quiet Allvin is.
Drance was just on with D&D and I thought he covered the bases well on this story. Included was a cheerful reminder that Jack Gordon was allowed to execute the Neely trade six months
before being replaced by Pat Quinn. It's this kind of blundering along that is so discouraging.
That’s what I mean, you can’t leave the responsibility of trading Hughes in the hands of those who caused the situation. That’s rewarding failure.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 11:00 am
by Chef Boi RD
Rick Dhaliwal said this morning there were multiple people in the Canucks organization who didn’t want to sign Elias Pettersson to his huge contract in 2024, ultimately Jim Rutherford made the final call.
Jim is on his last legs. The clock is on.
Bring in the Shanaplan!
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 11:46 am
by 2Fingers
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 11:00 am
Rick Dhaliwal said this morning there were multiple people in the Canucks organization who didn’t want to sign Elias Pettersson to his huge contract in 2024, ultimately Jim Rutherford made the final call.
Jim is on his last legs. The clock is on.
Bring in the Shanaplan!
And how would Dhaliwal know this or did he have a drug induced dream?
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:57 pm
by rikster
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:39 am
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:09 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:44 am
All teams deal with injuries. They don’t end up in last place in the league like we do.
Yes, teams who lead the league in man games lost to injury end up 3 1/2 wins out of a playoff position after 30 games....
How is Florida doing without Barkov (done for the season and never played a game this season) and Tkachuk, who hasn’t played this season? They are 18th overall in the league not 32nd like us.
Florida is a better team than the Canucks and playing in the East but are currently out of a playoff spot even after winning their last 3 games...
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:07 pm
by rikster
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:38 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:33 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:17 am
If this trade does go down, I think I'm probably done this time.
I'll blunder my own way along.
If the trade is happening the distracted owners and their personal issues with brother Paolo need to pull their heads out of their asses and ask Rutherford to step down and then bring in a new Pres to manage the situation with an untainted fresh pair of eyes. I don’t trust Rutherford to do well on this trade if there is a trade.
I find it peculiar how quiet Allvin is.
Drance was just on with D&D and I thought he covered the bases well on this story. Included was a cheerful reminder that Jack Gordon was allowed to execute the Neely trade six months
before being replaced by Pat Quinn. It's this kind of blundering along that is so discouraging.
Had Drancer's afternoon show on the radio today as I was out doing errands....had to giggle listening to him turn himself into a pretzel trying to justify some of his off the wall takes....
Then all of the doom and gloom disappeared as they got giggly thinking about what the return for Quinn Hughes will be from each of the multitude of teams who will make an offer...
But isn't that the point, with most if not all of the league salavating at the chance to aquire Quinn it won't take a Hall of Fame, multiple Cup winning executive to secure a significant haul for him which makes the Jack Gordon reference kinda goofy...
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:15 pm
by Cousin Strawberry
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 11:00 am
Rick Dhaliwal said this morning there were multiple people in the Canucks organization who didn’t want to sign Elias Pettersson to his huge contract in 2024, ultimately Jim Rutherford made the final call.
Jim is on his last legs. The clock is on.
Bring in the Shanaplan!
Jesus. It's worse than I thought even.
We're gonna need bigger fatties
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:56 pm
by Hockey Widow
Well the story about a potential trade to Carolina goes that the AVS stepped in and offered What’s his name the headhunter. Carolina went that route. So the Pettersson deal may have been killed by the Canes. As for his massive contract, ya a bit much. Ok more than a bit.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:02 pm
by Meds
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:56 pm
Well the story about a potential trade to Carolina goes that the AVS stepped in and offered What’s his name the headhunter. Carolina went that route. So the Pettersson deal may have been killed by the Canes. As for his massive contract, ya a bit much. Ok more than a bit.
If by "the headhunter" you mean Rantanen, that deal was at last TDL.....the Canes offer was the season before (allegedly). Nobody was offering anything for Pettersson last year at the TDL.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:08 pm
by Megaterio Llamas
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:07 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:38 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:33 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:17 am
If this trade does go down, I think I'm probably done this time.
I'll blunder my own way along.
If the trade is happening the distracted owners and their personal issues with brother Paolo need to pull their heads out of their asses and ask Rutherford to step down and then bring in a new Pres to manage the situation with an untainted fresh pair of eyes. I don’t trust Rutherford to do well on this trade if there is a trade.
I find it peculiar how quiet Allvin is.
Drance was just on with D&D and I thought he covered the bases well on this story. Included was a cheerful reminder that Jack Gordon was allowed to execute the Neely trade six months
before being replaced by Pat Quinn. It's this kind of blundering along that is so discouraging.
Had Drancer's afternoon show on the radio today as I was out doing errands....had to giggle listening to him turn himself into a pretzel trying to justify some of his off the wall takes....
Then all of the doom and gloom disappeared as they got giggly thinking about what the return for Quinn Hughes will be from each of the multitude of teams who will make an offer...
But isn't that the point, with most if not all of the league salavating at the chance to aquire Quinn it won't take a Hall of Fame, multiple Cup winning executive to secure a significant haul for him which makes the Jack Gordon reference kinda goofy...
Do you recall how you felt about the Neely trade at the time? It wasn't all negative, you know.
Far from it, in fact.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:13 pm
by rikster
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:08 pm
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:07 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:38 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:33 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:17 am
If this trade does go down, I think I'm probably done this time.
I'll blunder my own way along.
If the trade is happening the distracted owners and their personal issues with brother Paolo need to pull their heads out of their asses and ask Rutherford to step down and then bring in a new Pres to manage the situation with an untainted fresh pair of eyes. I don’t trust Rutherford to do well on this trade if there is a trade.
I find it peculiar how quiet Allvin is.
Drance was just on with D&D and I thought he covered the bases well on this story. Included was a cheerful reminder that Jack Gordon was allowed to execute the Neely trade six months
before being replaced by Pat Quinn. It's this kind of blundering along that is so discouraging.
Had Drancer's afternoon show on the radio today as I was out doing errands....had to giggle listening to him turn himself into a pretzel trying to justify some of his off the wall takes....
Then all of the doom and gloom disappeared as they got giggly thinking about what the return for Quinn Hughes will be from each of the multitude of teams who will make an offer...
But isn't that the point, with most if not all of the league salavating at the chance to aquire Quinn it won't take a Hall of Fame, multiple Cup winning executive to secure a significant haul for him which makes the Jack Gordon reference kinda goofy...
Do you recall how you felt about the Neely trade at the time? It wasn't all negative, you know.
Far from it, in fact.
From what I remember that was more of a Virtanen type of deal with concerns over Neely's off ice habits...
Being a half full person by nature, I prefer to think about the Walker trade to the Vikings which set up the Cowboy dynasty and the Dallas fans venom when the trade was announced...
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:40 pm
by Megaterio Llamas
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:13 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:08 pm
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 2:07 pm
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:38 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:33 am
Megaterio Llamas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:17 am
If this trade does go down, I think I'm probably done this time.
I'll blunder my own way along.
If the trade is happening the distracted owners and their personal issues with brother Paolo need to pull their heads out of their asses and ask Rutherford to step down and then bring in a new Pres to manage the situation with an untainted fresh pair of eyes. I don’t trust Rutherford to do well on this trade if there is a trade.
I find it peculiar how quiet Allvin is.
Drance was just on with D&D and I thought he covered the bases well on this story. Included was a cheerful reminder that Jack Gordon was allowed to execute the Neely trade six months
before being replaced by Pat Quinn. It's this kind of blundering along that is so discouraging.
Had Drancer's afternoon show on the radio today as I was out doing errands....had to giggle listening to him turn himself into a pretzel trying to justify some of his off the wall takes....
Then all of the doom and gloom disappeared as they got giggly thinking about what the return for Quinn Hughes will be from each of the multitude of teams who will make an offer...
But isn't that the point, with most if not all of the league salavating at the chance to aquire Quinn it won't take a Hall of Fame, multiple Cup winning executive to secure a significant haul for him which makes the Jack Gordon reference kinda goofy...
Do you recall how you felt about the Neely trade at the time? It wasn't all negative, you know.
Far from it, in fact.
From what I remember that was more of a Virtanen type of deal with concerns over Neely's off ice habits...
Being a half full person by nature, I prefer to think about the Walker trade to the Vikings which set up the Cowboy dynasty and the Dallas fans venom when the trade was announced...
The main issue with Neely was that his coach, Tom Watt, didn't like him. As a scrappy hometown kid, however, he was very popular with the fans.
Fan reaction to the trade at the time was quite optimistic, or glass-half-full if you like.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:29 pm
by Hockey Widow
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:02 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:56 pm
Well the story about a potential trade to Carolina goes that the AVS stepped in and offered What’s his name the headhunter. Carolina went that route. So the Pettersson deal may have been killed by the Canes. As for his massive contract, ya a bit much. Ok more than a bit.
If by "the headhunter" you mean Rantanen, that deal was at last TDL.....the Canes offer was the season before (allegedly). Nobody was offering anything for Pettersson last year at the TDL.
Close. Rantanen was traded to Carolina Jan 2025 then traded again to Dallas at the 2025 TDD.
Canucks and Canes had a deal close. Canucks were using it as leverage against Pettersson to get him to commit before the 2024 TDD. Canes were trying to land someone else and rumour has it it was Rantenan. Avs were not ready to trade him until the following Jan. They had still hoped to come to terms.
I don’t know what is true.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:31 pm
by Meds
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:29 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 5:02 pm
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 4:56 pm
Well the story about a potential trade to Carolina goes that the AVS stepped in and offered What’s his name the headhunter. Carolina went that route. So the Pettersson deal may have been killed by the Canes. As for his massive contract, ya a bit much. Ok more than a bit.
If by "the headhunter" you mean Rantanen, that deal was at last TDL.....the Canes offer was the season before (allegedly). Nobody was offering anything for Pettersson last year at the TDL.
Close. Rantanen was traded to Carolina Jan 2025 then traded again to Dallas at the 2025 TDD.
Canucks and Canes had a deal close. Canucks were using it as leverage against Pettersson to get him to commit before the 2024 TDD. Canes were trying to land someone else and rumour has it it was Rantenan. Avs were not ready to trade him until the following Jan. They had still hoped to come to terms.
I don’t know what is true.
Yes. That's what I said.
The rumoured trade with Carolina for Pettersson was in 2024, which as you said was before he signed his extension and was being used as leverage.
There was no trade for Pettersson on the table at the 2025 TDL.
Re: Ownership and Management
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 6:21 am
by Chef Boi RD
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 1:57 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:39 am
rikster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 10:09 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:44 am
All teams deal with injuries. They don’t end up in last place in the league like we do.
Yes, teams who lead the league in man games lost to injury end up 3 1/2 wins out of a playoff position after 30 games....
How is Florida doing without Barkov (done for the season and never played a game this season) and Tkachuk, who hasn’t played this season? They are 18th overall in the league not 32nd like us.
Florida is a better team than the Canucks and playing in the East but are currently out of a playoff spot even after winning their last 3 games...
Florida has played the entire season without their two best players, who arguably are in the top 10’of the best forwards in the league. How would the Canucks fair without having the services of their best two players this season - Pettersson and Hughes? Would they be worst than 32nd overall in the league? Well, can’t get much worse than that, obviously, but certainly the affect of their absence would be felt in the win/loss column.