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Tciso wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 10:43 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 10:27 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 9:29 pm I think the Pettersson rhetoric is way over the top. He is a top six centre. Overpaid for what he is producing but still a top six centre. And we need those. No indication at all that he is a dressing room problem, all made up.

I'm firmly on the side that says you don't trade him unless you get good hockey return.

I disagree. He's a an upper-middle-six center. He is not 1st line quality.

That seems a weird range. There are 128 centers in the league. Wids says he is number 65 or higher, and implies no better than top 96th out of 128. WTF is upper middle 6? 60 to 76th?

A top-6 center is a 1st or 2nd line center.

A middle six center is a 2nd or 3rd line center.

An upper-middle-6 center would be a 2nd line center.

Pettersson is NOT a 1st line center anymore, no way now how can it be argued that he's been a 1C the past 2 seasons and change. Ergo, he cannot be a top-6 center. But he's still better than a 3C. Hence.....

It was tongue-in-cheek. Just inventing another silly criteria.

FFS, if he is top six or middle six he is a second line centre. I've never argued he is a top line centre but a top six which it seems you agree. Is he top six on every team. Duh, no. For sure some teams have way better top six, thus not every team would want to chance trading for him. But he is still top six. He is paid like a 1st line centre so he is way overpaid for his production, but he is still a top six centre. No way is he a 3rd line centre.

I have no problem trading him but not in a panic move or by moving other assets to do it. He still has utility on this team. We have the cap space. The rumours of him being a locker room cancer are just that. We have in all likelihood missed our window to trade him for a great return, that shipped sailed 2 years ago. But he is still valuable. I agree his cap hit will lower any return but no way no how should we dump him for scraps or attach any assets to move him. Maybe in a few years when we are further ahead in our development but not now.

We don't know if Rossi will extend with us past this year. We don't know how Cootes will develop. Chytle is done.

I still think the Alien will return!!!!!

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 11:01 pm FFS, if he is top six or middle six he is a second line centre. I've never argued he is a top line centre but a top six which it seems you agree. Is he top six on every team. Duh, no. For sure some teams have way better top six, thus not every team would want to chance trading for him. But he is still top six. He is paid like a 1st line centre so he is way overpaid for his production, but he is still a top six centre. No way is he a 3rd line centre.

Easy Wids.....that is actually what I just said.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 11:01 pm FFS, if he is top six or middle six he is a second line centre.

We don't know if Rossi will extend with us past this year.

I still think the Alien will return!!!!!

I think Rossi is signed for 2 more yrs, then RFA, so he is under team control.

I think the best place for EP40 would be a place like San Jose. Celebrini can take the all the limelight and Petey can quietly go about and just play his game as the 2C in a place where ppl don't really give a shiz abt hockey.

That being said, I expect him to be back cuz I don't think anyone would take his contract right now. I said at the beginning of the season, I would be happy with 70-80 pts from him. He got 50 pts, so it is a bit disappointing. JR even said as much in the presser; he said Petey doesn't have to be a 100 pts guy again, but if he can just get 80, it would be fine. I would agree and would use this as a benchmark for him again next season.

As one of our posters pointed out, EP40's contract is quite heavily loaded up front. In just 3 more yrs and after some of those signing bonuses are paid off, his salary in real dollars will take a big hit ($3.7M base salary). He has an improved defensive game, but if he can increase his point totals a bit by then, he might actually become to be a tradable asset.

Todd Bersnoozi wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 11:27 pm

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 11:01 pm FFS, if he is top six or middle six he is a second line centre.

We don't know if Rossi will extend with us past this year.

I still think the Alien will return!!!!!

I think Rossi is signed for 2 more yrs, then RFA, so he is under team control.

I think the best place for EP40 would be a place like San Jose. Celebrini can take the all the limelight and Petey can quietly go about and just play his game as the 2C in a place where ppl don't really give a shiz abt hockey.

That being said, I expect him to be back cuz I don't think anyone would take his contract right now. I said at the beginning of the season, I would be happy with 70-80 pts from him. He got 50 pts, so it is a bit disappointing. JR even said as much in the presser; he said Petey doesn't have to be a 100 pts guy again, but if he can just get 80, it would be fine. I would agree and would use this as a benchmark for him again next season.

As one of our posters pointed out, EP40's contract is quite heavily loaded up front. In just 3 more yrs and after some of those signing bonuses are paid off, his salary in real dollars will take a big hit ($3.7M base salary). He has an improved defensive game, but if he can increase his point totals a bit by then, he might actually become to be a tradable asset.

You are correct. Rossi is UFA 2028. He can extend after July 1st 2027. No way the Canucks lets him walk. If they don't want to extend him or if they can't reach a deal then they need to trade him sometime after July 1st 2027. That was really my point. He is only controlled 3 more years if we count his RFA year.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 9:29 pm I think the Pettersson rhetoric is way over the top. He is a top six centre. Overpaid for what he is producing but still a top six centre. And we need those. No indication at all that he is a dressing room problem, all made up.

I'm firmly on the side that says you don't trade him unless you get good hockey return.

I love a woman with a sense of humour.

2nd line centre on a team dead last in the League.

Mëds, I wasn't trying to be an ass. I often am, but hopefully when I am, its obvious . We have had some dumb fights in this group in the past, and they often started over squishy little differences. Ranking EP40's shit somewhere between a bad #1C and middle of the road 2nd line center shouldn't be one of them. Its like arguing who's shit tastes better. And, we have a lot more shit to discuss and argue about (like why is JR not fucking off right now, instead drafting our future, and then handing the keys of the Titsnic to the next sap)

Speaking of current contracts, why is JR still our GM? We fired our GM, so I assume JR as Poho will do the draft, and then possibly hamstring the next management team with picks that go in a different direction than they want to.

Pardon me if I don't have faith in JR making wise draft choices with 1 Foote out the door. I expect he will meddle, along with the aquaboys, and fuck it up even if we have a new GM in place.

Its like IT. You never fire your IT staff and let them play with the keys to the system for 2 months. You escort their ass out immediately.

Topper wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 1:36 pm UW, you have described the Miller/Scooter scenario.

Do we get a second act?

My experience working and living in close quarters with deadbeats is they become more marginalized and isolated as the issue persists. What starts as practical jokes, become more pointed an vicious. Constructive criticism becomes Sarcastic comments that become targeted insults.

(1) This assumes he’s a deadbeat. I don’t think he is, and I was responding the the eeyore point. Why not a deadbeat?

(A) He clearly put in work last offseason, that work was strength, and it clearly didn’t translate because it was addressing a weakness he was being ridiculed for while the problem that he was losing/has lost what he was good at.

(B) He also is pretty good about not taking shifts off. What’s been weird is that the effort he shows when the other team has the puck isn’t replicated when he or his teammates have the puck. His foot moving problem is not an effort issue, it is a lack of opportunism that he had when he came into the league. It’s damn frustrating, but it’s not evidence of deadbeatism.

But if he is a deadbeat, I agree with you.

(2) The problem can also arise if there’s an in team perception of deadbeatism. That’s the Miller/Petey redux. It’s easier to perceive deadbeatism when you add in “and at his salary, he should be…”. And Miller seemed to be the most put out by this, probably because he left money on the table. (That Miller could gaslight fans into thinking he was a hard worker because he was emotional while simultaneously being a video coach’s go to for “don’t give up on plays like this; don’t make changes like this; this is what happens when you don’t back check”, well, chef’s kiss to JT. Reminded me of the female defendants who cry at sentencing about how hard her life has been).

At any rate, I think the chances for a redux are less because the team is younger, and the breakdowns that come from envy (or injustice/inequality) are more likely to come from peer groups. These other guys are just trying to stick in the league.

And I am not at all interested in favor of adding a sweetner to move Petey. It doesn’t fit “every move is to increase the chance you develop another core player.”

Make a deal when you get a how-Benning-viewed-OEL, heck, how-Darche-viewed-Schenn, how-Yzerman-viewed-Faulk. It only takes one GM (though ideally two). EP40 showing a few more flashes of 65-70 point potential with good two way play (and a former 100 point guy known around the league well enough to sell jerseys and get a fan base excited). Bubble teams or better relatively weak down the middle—this is the target. It’s hard to find second line centers; this guy was a first. Red Wings. Bruins. Jets. Kings. Preds. Wild. Not saying each of those teams have the space or have a the kind of management that wouldn’t be guarded based on the last two years, but some of these teams have made worse deals….

(And it’s FA’s money, but retention would absolutely increase the darts the Canucks would get in return).

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2026 8:09 am And I am not at all interested in favor of adding a sweetner to move Petey. It doesn’t fit “every move is to increase the chance you develop another core player.”

Make a deal when you get a how-Benning-viewed-OEL, heck, how-Darche-viewed-Schenn, how-Yzerman-viewed-Faulk. It only takes one GM (though ideally two). EP40 showing a few more flashes of 65-70 point potential with good two way play (and a former 100 point guy known around the league well enough to sell jerseys and get a fan base excited). Bubble teams or better relatively weak down the middle—this is the target. It’s hard to find second line centers; this guy was a first. Red Wings. Bruins. Jets. Kings. Preds. Wild. Not saying each of those teams have the space or have a the kind of management that wouldn’t be guarded based on the last two years, but some of these teams have made worse deals….

(And it’s FA’s money, but retention would absolutely increase the darts the Canucks would get in return).

The salary structure of the contract is a nightmare. He's already been paid $29M, he gets $11m this year, then back to $14.45M followed by $12.25M. The final three years he finally gets affordable at $8.75M.

The plays into it as much as his 3rd line Lady Bing play does.

Tciso wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2026 6:57 am Mëds, I wasn't trying to be an ass. I often am, but hopefully when I am, its obvious .

Never thought you were dude.

Tciso wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2026 7:07 am Speaking of current contracts, why is JR still our GM? We fired our GM, so I assume JR as Poho will do the draft, and then possibly hamstring the next management team with picks that go in a different direction than they want to.

Pardon me if I don't have faith in JR making wise draft choices with 1 Foote out the door. I expect he will meddle, along with the aquaboys, and fuck it up even if we have a new GM in place.

Its like IT. You never fire your IT staff and let them play with the keys to the system for 2 months. You escort their ass out immediately.

I'm assuming the new GM will come in before the draft.

Any new GM worth their salt will only take the job under the proviso that they have operational control of the direction the team will go with them at the helm.

GM's being hired right now, 8 weeks before draft day, don't have the luxury of long-term assessment and planning, they have to go with the scouting reports.....that being said, if they are coming from another team, they are already familiar with the draft class, and likely very aware of the shape of the Canucks current roster and history of this season, if not past few.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2026 9:29 pm I think the Pettersson rhetoric is way over the top. He is a top six centre. Overpaid for what he is producing but still a top six centre. And we need those. No indication at all that he is a dressing room problem, all made up.

I'm firmly on the side that says you don't trade him unless you get good hockey return.

But, if he wasn't on the team then what would people be posting about?

I agree, way over the top by media and some posters.

Nonsense.

How over the top was the media and some of you posters over the other ex-Canucks? Cancers, quitters, mean girls... you want to talk about rhetoric?

The whole team was dismantled over this one bad choice of a player. Coaches bailed, players bailed, management fired, top dog slinking his way off the ship with his legacy in tatters.

This team went from 109pts to DEAD LAST with this lead horse.

This guy may not be a "cancer" but he sure is persona non-grata now. Never got support from the ex-teammates. Didn't get support from current teammates. Coach praises some vets and young guys... not a single mention of THE GUY.

POHO & GM has been openly saying that he has been part of the problem and not the solution they expected these last two seasons. The toxicity in the room didn't get better until just over a month ago? Hmmm...

No, it's not way over the top. This team, even with TFGs gone, will take years before being relevant again. Watch for the guys getting up in age to quietly quit this team.

What would people post about otherwise? There'll always be GDHT even without this guy.