2025 Canucks Off-season

[Hockey Widow]

Dreger never stops with the crap. Today he says that while extension talks with Demko have begun, nothing imminent as both sides are assessing their options moving forward, he says that Demko may be the piece that is dangled to help the Canucks land a true top six centre.

I am torn by this. I love the good Demko but fear a boat anchor of a contract for an often injured goalie. Of course whoever trades for him is going to want a guarantee he will re-sign with them. Could we see a Tchacuk type of situation emerge?

[Blob Mckenzie]

Don't listen to Dreger Wids. He's a douchebag.

I hope he has a good year moving forward and re-ups for 4 x 7.

That would mean he and the team had a good year. Nobody is signing him to a 6 or 7 year deal at good money when he falls apart.

There's young centres out there that could shake lose for a young D man or in RFA/UFA or trade considering we are jammed at D.

Mactavish
Krebs
Newhook
Kotkaniemi

[Meds]

There's young centres out there that could shake lose for a young D man or in RFA/UFA or trade considering we are jammed at D.

Mactavish
Krebs
Newhook
Kotkaniemi

Krebs…..25 next season and his career best is 26 points.

Newhook…..same age as Krebs, has yet to crack 20G or 40Pts. Paced for it last year but was derailed at only 55GP.

Kotkaniemi…..25 in a couple months, best year has been 43Pts, projecting to be a 40Pt 3C.

McTavish is the only one of those 4 who looks like he could turn into a 1C/2C.

[Meds]

Dreger never stops with the crap. Today he says that while extension talks with Demko have begun, nothing imminent as both sides are assessing their options moving forward, he says that Demko may be the piece that is dangled to help the Canucks land a true top six centre.

I am torn by this. I love the good Demko but fear a boat anchor of a contract for an often injured goalie. Of course whoever trades for him is going to want a guarantee he will re-sign with them. Could we see a Tchacuk type of situation emerge?

Same here Wids. Demko in a make or break guy. Healthy and dialled in, he’s top-5 in the league and totally settles the team. Those guys don’t grow on trees. When injured he’s a blackhole in the salary cap.

With a Vézina nomination, I can’t see Demko settling for less than Swayman (who got $8Mx8 in Boston)…..he may settle for 6 years though based upon his age, but won’t take less than $8M unless he goes to free agency and finds no takers.

There’s also the unsubstantiated rumours that Demko would prefer to play stateside at some point in his career…..and with his contract expiring at 30 years of age, that time could be coming soon.

Considering that teams generally trade one strength for a different strength, I could see Demko being packaged with a pick for a 1C return. Then Pettersson, Willander, and other parts, being dealt (in separate deals) for 1G and top line W returns.

However, management may decide to roll the dice on EP40 and Demko and stay the current course and try to address needs through free agency and other trades.

I will say that I can’t see significant help being acquired here without at least parting with Willander and/or our 1st.

[Tciso]

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Considering that teams generally trade one strength for a different strength, I could see Demko being packaged with a pick for a 1C return. Then Pettersson, Willander, and other parts, being dealt (in separate deals) for 1G and top line W returns.

However, management may decide to roll the dice on EP40 and Demko and stay the current course and try to address needs through free agency and other trades.

I will say that I can’t see significant help being acquired here without at least parting with Willander and/or our 1st.

I am totally OK with us "standing pat" in the off season. Sign Suter. Sign (Boeser or a center). Roll forward. I think that this could, and should be on of the quietest off seasons we have ever had. I don't mind bleeding assets to shore up weak spots, but trading EP40, Demmer, WIllander and a 1st for replacements to replace EP40 and Demmer is a lot to pay for what is likely a minor upgrade.

When healthy, we have a pretty damned good team and some great young talent and depth. And, we are finally starting to gel as a team. We need to stop turning over 9 or 10 guys a season, and start letting the chemistry build. We won't ever hit "our window" if we keep having massive turnover and keep bleeding assets. I'd like to see a bit of tinkering around the edges (mostly dumping our plethora of 23-25 yr old AHL fringe players for picks/etc), but I think we have a pretty good team. If we can upgrade Chytl, great. But let's not sell the farm (Willander/1st) just yet. Unlike the passed several years, we no longer have any glaring abysses on the team. It used to be our defence and bottom 6. Now, we could use a 2nd line centre, assuming Chytl never plays again. That's about the same as most teams. Not perfect, but the basics are covered, and we have a couple of really strong positions. Time to see what we have instead of stirring the pot once again.

[dangler]

<snip>
Considering that teams generally trade one strength for a different strength, I could see Demko being packaged with a pick for a 1C return. Then Pettersson, Willander, and other parts, being dealt (in separate deals) for 1G and top line W returns.

However, management may decide to roll the dice on EP40 and Demko and stay the current course and try to address needs through free agency and other trades.

I will say that I can’t see significant help being acquired here without at least parting with Willander and/or our 1st.

I am totally OK with us "standing pat" in the off season. Sign Suter. Sign (Boeser or a center). Roll forward. I think that this could, and should be on of the quietest off seasons we have ever had. I don't mind bleeding assets to shore up weak spots, but trading EP40, Demmer, WIllander and a 1st for replacements to replace EP40 and Demmer is a lot to pay for what is likely a minor upgrade.

When healthy, we have a pretty damned good team and some great young talent and depth. And, we are finally starting to gel as a team. We need to stop turning over 9 or 10 guys a season, and start letting the chemistry build. We won't ever hit "our window" if we keep having massive turnover and keep bleeding assets. I'd like to see a bit of tinkering around the edges (mostly dumping our plethora of 23-25 yr old AHL fringe players for picks/etc), but I think we have a pretty good team. If we can upgrade Chytl, great. But let's not sell the farm (Willander/1st) just yet. Unlike the passed several years, we no longer have any glaring abysses on the team. It used to be our defence and bottom 6. Now, we could use a 2nd line centre, assuming Chytl never plays again. That's about the same as most teams. Not perfect, but the basics are covered, and we have a couple of really strong positions. Time to see what we have instead of stirring the pot once again.

I'm torn between trading the 1st and a top prospect and standing pat and making the 1st rd pick. If they do decide to go the trade route it's got to be for a LEGIT top line center,not a Chytil or some other reclamation project. UFA market- i doubt anyone that fits doesn't get resigned by their current team, and the term on most of the high end talent doesn't sound too appetizing.

[rats19]

What will be using our cap space money for ?

Resigning

Buying new

Both

Offer opinion on how and where…

[donlever]

Personally I am resigned to the fact I do not know who they might re-sign....

[dangler]

Personally I am resigned to the fact I do not know who they might re-sign....

Suter Donald, Suter.
So there's $4M

[rats19]

Personally I am resigned to the fact I do not know who they might re-sign....

Suter Donald, Suter.
So there's $4M

We have 15 and change at the moment correct?

[donlever]

Personally I am resigned to the fact I do not know who they might re-sign....

Suter Donald, Suter.
So there's $4M

So when compared to your Lankinen budget that means 5.5?

Am I doing this right?

[dangler]

Personally I am resigned to the fact I do not know who they might re-sign....

Suter Donald, Suter.
So there's $4M

So when compared to your Lankinen budget that means 5.5?

Am I doing this right?

I hope not!!

[Blob Mckenzie]

There's young centres out there that could shake lose for a young D man or in RFA/UFA or trade considering we are jammed at D.

Mactavish
Krebs
Newhook
Kotkaniemi

Krebs…..25 next season and his career best is 26 points.

Newhook…..same age as Krebs, has yet to crack 20G or 40Pts. Paced for it last year but was derailed at only 55GP.

Kotkaniemi…..25 in a couple months, best year has been 43Pts, projecting to be a 40Pt 3C.

McTavish is the only one of those 4 who looks like he could turn into a 1C/2C.

None of these guys other than Mason are playing above the 3rd line as young players. Might be a case of where you can pick up a guy for cheap that just needs some more ice time and opportunity. Look no further than Sherwood, Suter and Joshua for that matter. Theres lots of these guys that take off with a bit of opportunity. Verhage, and the red haired kid in Philly come to mind.

[Meds]

<snip>
Considering that teams generally trade one strength for a different strength, I could see Demko being packaged with a pick for a 1C return. Then Pettersson, Willander, and other parts, being dealt (in separate deals) for 1G and top line W returns.

However, management may decide to roll the dice on EP40 and Demko and stay the current course and try to address needs through free agency and other trades.

I will say that I can’t see significant help being acquired here without at least parting with Willander and/or our 1st.

I am totally OK with us "standing pat" in the off season. Sign Suter. Sign (Boeser or a center). Roll forward. I think that this could, and should be on of the quietest off seasons we have ever had. I don't mind bleeding assets to shore up weak spots, but trading EP40, Demmer, WIllander and a 1st for replacements to replace EP40 and Demmer is a lot to pay for what is likely a minor upgrade.

If any of those outgoing options returns a top-6 C that can score at a 70+ point pace, then the upgrade is not minor.

Our top pivots right now are Pettersson and Chytil. Scooter scored at a 55 point pace this year, Chytil less than that.

If your incoming 1C is scoring at 70+ points per 82, and he is paid accordingly, the upgrade becomes more significant because you just added scoring AND created around $3M in cap space that can now (hopefully) be spent to upgrade somewhere else in the top-6.

I honestly don’t think we can upgrade on Demko. Any trade there is being made because, one, he doesn’t plan to extend in Vancouver, or two, his durability is too suspect for him to be relied upon and he becomes a recurring salary cap black hole. Any trades that move Demko out will see, at best, a lateral return.

I would very much kick the tires on Swayman if Boston is going into a rebuild. He will be 27 this season, and if the Bruins are going rebuild then he’s probably looking at 32 before they are in another window again. He’s a good starter and his age is far more preferable for our team if we are doing a quick rebrand of this group. He might be interested in Vancouver as he’s from Alaska and proximity to family may influence his satisfaction with a relocation like that…..he has a NMC but it doesn’t kick in until 2026.

[Cousin Strawberry]

They need some hairy forearms on the wings if they're going to roll with soft centers. I can see Pettersson Chytil and Suter as their 1-2-3 centers IF they compliment that with some anger on their flanks

Swapping Boesers 8 for some girth would help