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Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 am He wouldn’t be the #1 player on a lot of teams. I can’t think of a single team that he be the best player on. Even this scabby, shitty Canucks team has three better forwards

Habs he would be the best. Drouin has 1 50 point season in 5 years. Price's save % is below 900 right now. There are others he'd be second best. And those Canuck forwards haven't hit 60 points yet like NYlander.

Point is, if he's your 6th or 7th best player, you're in good shape. 61 points each of his first 2 seasons with not great TOI.

Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:48 am Sure enjoy the compliment while u can. Signing the least effective of all the pending and upcoming leaf FAs for this bad of an overpayment guarantees your fucked-ness from the very next contact negotiation and onwards.

At least the blackcocks got to win a couple cups before the stars cleaned out the coffers

So what should have Nylander signed for? They were always going to have to start at the very least at 6-6.5 million per. It was clear he'd want the Pastrynak deal with some added as the cap went up 5 million.
Overpayment my ass. His cap hit is 1.6 million less than Drais in Edmonton. And that was with a smaller cap. And as stated, this is an incredibly easy contract to move and kep shis value very high. But by all means, keep telling yourselves all of this is a disaster for the leaves. Every team wishes they had this issue.

$24mil guaranteed as signing bonus. $2mil now, another $8.3mil next year. He won't be moved until the leaves pay that.

Stupid contract for a lower tier forward that’s going screw shit up for other GMs when signing RFA players of the same caliber. Thank you Dubas you dumbass

Yup. Just like we were talking about over 2 years ago, mid sized contracts for good players will be gone.
Teams will consist of the highest of talent and value and scrubs that make a mil.

What we call so-so- 2nd / good 3rd players will either take the scrub wage or go to Europe/Russia.
Overall, I say that makes for a shittier, less overall talented and less entertaining to watch league.

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:41 am Festive Stick
‏ @TheOakLeafs

[Random Willie appreciation tweet ahead of contract announcement]

Points as of 185 NHL GP

Tavares 142
Nylander 135
MacKinnon 134
Draisaitl 131
Kucherov 128
Giroux 128
Benn 128
Kuznetsov 126
Seguin 111
Kessel 103

I bet this stat shocks you. And Willy got less TOI than everyone on that list.

Lol, Nylander rode Matthews like a horse, milked Matthews like a cow...

How much will Matthews get, $14M?

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:03 pm Stupid contract for a lower tier forward that’s going screw shit up for other GMs when signing RFA players of the same caliber. Thank you Dubas you dumbass

1.6 million less than Draisait with a much bigger capl, but it's going to effect other RFAs. LOL. All Dubas' fault. It's the same market value deal all young players are signing.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:23 pm

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:41 am Festive Stick
‏ @TheOakLeafs

[Random Willie appreciation tweet ahead of contract announcement]

Points as of 185 NHL GP

Tavares 142
Nylander 135
MacKinnon 134
Draisaitl 131
Kucherov 128
Giroux 128
Benn 128
Kuznetsov 126
Seguin 111
Kessel 103

I bet this stat shocks you. And Willy got less TOI than everyone on that list.

Lol, Nylander rode Matthews like a horse, milked Matthews like a cow...

How much will Matthews get, $14M?

Matthews will get 12.5, Marner 10 million imo.

I love how Leaf players are overrated and suck until contract time comes. LOL

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 am He wouldn’t be the #1 player on a lot of teams. I can’t think of a single team that he be the best player on. Even this scabby, shitty Canucks team has three better forwards

Habs he would be the best. Drouin has 1 50 point season in 5 years. Price's save % is below 900 right now. There are others he'd be second best. And those Canuck forwards haven't hit 60 points yet like NYlander.

Point is, if he's your 6th or 7th best player, you're in good shape. 61 points each of his first 2 seasons with not great TOI.

Meh .., Domi might be the Habs best forward. And there is also Shea Weber to think about.

No sane GM would trade any of Boeser, Petterson or Horvat for Willy. He’s a good young player and should help return a good d man for the leaves in the next year or thereabouts

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:28 pm

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 am He wouldn’t be the #1 player on a lot of teams. I can’t think of a single team that he be the best player on. Even this scabby, shitty Canucks team has three better forwards

Habs he would be the best. Drouin has 1 50 point season in 5 years. Price's save % is below 900 right now. There are others he'd be second best. And those Canuck forwards haven't hit 60 points yet like NYlander.

Point is, if he's your 6th or 7th best player, you're in good shape. 61 points each of his first 2 seasons with not great TOI.

Meh .., Domi might be the Habs best forward. And there is also Shea Weber to think about.

No sane GM would trade any of Boeser, Petterson or Horvat for Willy. He’s a good young player and should help return a good d man for the Leaves in the next year or thereabouts

Both of Montreal's "Best" young forwards have still only hit 50 points once. Nylander hit 61 in his first 2 full seasons...

BigTuna wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:28 pm

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 am He wouldn’t be the #1 player on a lot of teams. I can’t think of a single team that he be the best player on. Even this scabby, shitty Canucks team has three better forwards

Habs he would be the best. Drouin has 1 50 point season in 5 years. Price's save % is below 900 right now. There are others he'd be second best. And those Canuck forwards haven't hit 60 points yet like NYlander.

Point is, if he's your 6th or 7th best player, you're in good shape. 61 points each of his first 2 seasons with not great TOI.

Meh .., Domi might be the Habs best forward. And there is also Shea Weber to think about.

No sane GM would trade any of Boeser, Petterson or Horvat for Willy. He’s a good young player and should help return a good d man for the Leaves in the next year or thereabouts

. Nylander hit 61 in his first 2 full seasons...

Riding shot gun with quite arguably the best player in the game - Arizona bound Matthews. We are all well aware of Babcock’s displeasure with Nylanders “overall” game. He’s an OK player but you are building a winner around Nylander, he’s a 3rd Tier level winger

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:27 am

BigTuna wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:46 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:28 pm

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:28 am

Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 am He wouldn’t be the #1 player on a lot of teams. I can’t think of a single team that he be the best player on. Even this scabby, shitty Canucks team has three better forwards

Habs he would be the best. Drouin has 1 50 point season in 5 years. Price's save % is below 900 right now. There are others he'd be second best. And those Canuck forwards haven't hit 60 points yet like NYlander.

Point is, if he's your 6th or 7th best player, you're in good shape. 61 points each of his first 2 seasons with not great TOI.

Meh .., Domi might be the Habs best forward. And there is also Shea Weber to think about.

No sane GM would trade any of Boeser, Petterson or Horvat for Willy. He’s a good young player and should help return a good d man for the Leaves in the next year or thereabouts

. Nylander hit 61 in his first 2 full seasons...

Riding shot gun with quite arguably the best player in the game - Arizona bound Matthews. We are all well aware of Babcock’s displeasure with Nylanders “overall” game. He’s an OK player but you are building a winner around Nylander, he’s a 3rd Tier level winger

LOL. You would never say this in regards to Matthews except in this context.
And drop the fantasy Arizona stuff. He will be signed before next summer. And they don't have the $ to sign him.

y BigTuna » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:05 am

LOL. You would never say this in regards to Matthews except in this context.
And drop the fantasy Arizona stuff. He will be signed before next summer. And they don't have the $ to sign him.

Micky;
Then why did they give sooo much to a guy that got lucky playing with good team mates and had 2, 60 point seasons?
your words....

micky107 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:18 am y BigTuna » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:05 am

LOL. You would never say this in regards to Matthews except in this context.
And drop the fantasy Arizona stuff. He will be signed before next summer. And they don't have the $ to sign him.

Micky;
Then why did they give sooo much to a guy that got lucky playing with good team mates and had 2, 60 point seasons?
your words....

Because Chiarelli gave 8.5 million to a guy with the same stats when the cap was smaller.
This deal is actually less than the Pastrynak contract with the cap increase considered.
Players who only reached 50 points once were getting 5.5 million with a small cap (Drouin).

BigTuna wrote: ↑Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:50 pm
Matthews will get 12.5, Marner 10 million imo.

I love how Leaf players are overrated and suck until contract time comes. LOL

Matthews will get a comparable to McJesus - percentage wise - he'll get at least 13, if not more if the cap rises

Marner, yeah 10 sounds right

$47 mill on 5 forwards, leaves them with 36 if the cap goes up to, say 83 next year, or about 2 mil per player to round off their roster with only 2 proven NHL dmen signed.

This is where Marleau's contract sucks ass and why they should have either traded Nylander for some d-help or not signed Tavares and used that money towards a defenceman or two.

Edit - going to be interesting to see how Laine and Matthews contract situations work out - are they each going to wait for the other to sign?

Jets are just as fucked up - if not more.