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Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:55 am
by Chef Boi RD
The assumptions around here of Gaudette going back to college is funny. I think there's a good chance the kid could sign this summer

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:52 am
by ESQ
Island Nucklehead wrote: You absolutely sign him and burn a year of that ELC. The last thing we want is him pulling a Vesey and walking as a UFA.

The big deal with the youngsters is not the ELC, it's the years of NHL service towards unrestricted free agency.
Canucks have until summer-2019 to sign Boeser and avoid the Vesey situation.

And while I appreciate that "years of NHL service towards unrestricted free agency" is a consideration, its equally important to have contributing roster players on rookie cap hits.

Eg. Pittsburgh had Rust, Maata, Murray, Sheary and Dumoulin contributing on rookie deals.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:42 pm
by Island Nucklehead
ESQ wrote: Canucks have until summer-2019 to sign Boeser and avoid the Vesey situation.

And while I appreciate that "years of NHL service towards unrestricted free agency" is a consideration, its equally important to have contributing roster players on rookie cap hits.

Eg. Pittsburgh had Rust, Maata, Murray, Sheary and Dumoulin contributing on rookie deals.
Sure, it's not like he'll walk away this summer (or next) if we don't sign him. But you don't want him entering his final year of college thinking about rookie max-dollars and the chance to go wherever they want. Sign him this year, avoid the drama, and keep him developing.

Unless he's a superstar, his RFA/bridge contract isn't likely to cause us problems. He might be around $1.7-$2M on his ELC when rookie bonuses are factored in. So if he's a real solid player for us by the end of his deal he's looking at what? $3.5M on a bridge? Should we be afraid of that kind of deal, to the point of keeping him away from the big club, when we desperately lack what he could bring?

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:48 pm
by Diehard1
Island Nucklehead wrote:
ESQ wrote: Canucks have until summer-2019 to sign Boeser and avoid the Vesey situation.

And while I appreciate that "years of NHL service towards unrestricted free agency" is a consideration, its equally important to have contributing roster players on rookie cap hits.

Eg. Pittsburgh had Rust, Maata, Murray, Sheary and Dumoulin contributing on rookie deals.
Sure, it's not like he'll walk away this summer (or next) if we don't sign him. But you don't want him entering his final year of college thinking about rookie max-dollars and the chance to go wherever they want. Sign him this year, avoid the drama, and keep him developing.

Unless he's a superstar, his RFA/bridge contract isn't likely to cause us problems. He might be around $1.7-$2M on his ELC when rookie bonuses are factored in. So if he's a real solid player for us by the end of his deal he's looking at what? $3.5M on a bridge? Should we be afraid of that kind of deal, to the point of keeping him away from the big club, when we desperately lack what he could bring?
Not even close to this kind of thinking yet - if you're Boeser do you wait 2 years and lose that income and be 2 years behind your peak earning years? Not going to happen. Gaudette is in the same boat, 2 more years of college after this if he wants to go the FA route. Won't happen.

I'm looking forward to seeing what both can do in the pros in the near future.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:16 pm
by ESQ
Obviously you sign the college players when they're ready to sign.

I'm just saying don't throw them in the AHL for the last 6 weeks of this season and burn a year, sign them in the offseason.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:51 am
by Chef Boi RD
ESQ wrote:Obviously you sign the college players when they're ready to sign.

I'm just saying don't throw them in the AHL for the last 6 weeks of this season and burn a year, sign them in the offseason.
The ELC doesn't take presidence when you have a top prospect in college, you tie them up to a contract as fast as you can because of the "college loophole" We ard still protected with these two for two more seasons, can't see them staying the college term, they're too good. The Veseys, Stechers and Ashton-Reese's are late bloomers who needed the whole college term to develop

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:27 pm
by SKYO
Yup first order of business should be to sign Boeser asap when you can after his season is over, ya don't mess around with these college stars.

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Case in point...
Alex Kerfoot. Harvard University. Jersey draft pick. Darren Dreger reported on NBC last night Kerfoot is planning to go free agent. Dreger said to watch for the Canucks because Kerfoot is from BC.
Alexander Kerfoot is a smart, assist machine, not a scorer or two-way menace, just a good floor general, in any case a center we really need - a natural playmaker (that Kerfoot is) to center all these winger prospects we're stockpiling.

IF we can sign him, between he and Gaudette you hope one can become a #2C playmaking/scoring pivot.

Oh yeah Kerfoot pops is also the owner of the Vancouver Whitecaps, so more leverage for the Canucks IF Kerfoot becomes a UFA.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:46 pm
by Zemtac
Jonathan Dahlen 3G 2A last night.

Corey Pronman: Van's Jon Dahlen with one of best performances I've ever seen from a player this young in the Allsvenskan.

https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status ... 7171840015

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:52 pm
by rats19
Zemtac wrote:Jonathan Dahlen 3G 2A last night.

Corey Pronman: Van's Jon Dahlen with one of best performances I've ever seen from a player this young in the Allsvenskan.

https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status ... 7171840015
Very nice thnx for that

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:56 pm
by Zemtac
Your Welcome,

Here is a twitter feed with game video of his 5 points, I believe it is 3 videos down from the top or so?

https://twitter.com/hockeywebcast

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:58 pm
by Zemtac
The move where he is heading around the net, but stops up. has the goalie moving to the other side of the net and then jams it in the short side is a high end move. Wow

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:01 pm
by rats19
Zemtac wrote:Your Welcome,

Here is a twitter feed with game video of his 5 points, I believe it is 3 videos down from the top or so?

https://twitter.com/hockeywebcast
Wow hopes and dreams Hey?

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:28 pm
by Chef Boi RD
This Dahlen kid really impressed me at the WJC's. He's really having a good year, the Senators may regret trading him.

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:57 pm
by Hockey Widow
In case anyone is wondering, he's #54. :mrgreen:

Re: Canucks Young Guns

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:59 pm
by DonCherry4PM
Thanks, Zemtac!

Definitely good to see the prospect pool deepen and see some of these young guys performing well at the lower levels. Hopefully this success will translate to the NHL (and soonish) as we can use all the help we can get.