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donlever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 15, 2025 8:12 pm Petterson, Sherwood and a 2nd for Mavrick Bourque.

Really? Is Bourque a Top Gun or a guy with a mop on the deck crew?

I might just be a silly Goose, but that seems like a lot to give.

But what do I know? Jester's dead enough to make a trade like that, I suppose.

Bourque has second line C upside.

I figure he might get them Kadri or Tuch for a Cup run.

So that value needed to be matched.

I also figure we have to sell off MPs contract to a degree.

I get your logic now.

You gotta sweeten the pot for someone to recycle your old garbage for you. No need to hardball Nill over such trivial pieces. If he's willing to throw in a 5th rounder for the heck of it, fine. We won't say no.

I think even our own Megs Ryan would approve of such a deal.

donlever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 15, 2025 8:45 pm JPP in the back 40 when Mëds goes off on an EP rant.

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Chef is done with the malcontent emo baby - Petey. He represents and is at the heart of the darkness we’ve endured over the last two seasons. If we are trying to harness a new culture within the room he needs to go, got a lot of good young players brewing here.

Keep Boeser, Hronek, DeBrusk, Myers, M. Pete, Hoglander to vet and mentor the new kids coming up. Put the C on Boeser.

donlever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 15, 2025 7:40 pm Kent Johnson.

The Canucks currently ice EIGHT players from their 2024 playoff team.

Edit....I should add that Johnson is not a EP's salary structure but his play has fallen off a cliff and he will be RFA year after next.

Might be time for him to move along.

He's also a BC kid.

Johnson's season started completely snakebitten. He was playing very well in the games I saw but it wasn't converting into points. That lack of success eventually led to stick squeezing. Point is, I think there's still a player here and if the Jackets are done with him, he'd be worth considering.

donlever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 15, 2025 7:20 pm If EP is a highly renowned perennial Selke dude as some peeps here claim trade him to LA to replace Kopitar.

I think EP40 was working his way back to being a player who provided a pretty impressive toolkit that could address multiple issues for a team that has playoff run aspirations. Its still projection somewhat, but we saw the player who could be about a ppg and be a shut down guy. They don't grow on trees, and even if its not quite worth the salary, the fact is the ability to match up against a high quality line with 200 foot quality yourself (instead of a 3rd line or merely fighting offense with offense) opens up lots of options for your team to leverage other lines.

My point here is that if EP40 is to be moved, the market can ripen a little more. Time is one the Canucks side -- selling him last year or summer would have been selling at the bottom of the market. Not moving EP40 a couple years back may have been foolish in hindsight (though I still expect Miller plays out similarly),but not selling at the nadir was one of the few good moves this management team made.

EP40 isn't fully rebound, but we are starting to get to the point where its not going to be a dump, and while the Canucks may be asked to take on bad salary to make the numbers work, its not going to be albatross bad salary for years to come.

The Canucks will have to take a considerable contract back to get rid of Petey and I’m okay with that. I just want him gone.

The one story I find interesting and eye opening is Hughes inviting Petey to come work out with him last off season in Michigan. He declined. Says a lot to me. He’s an enigma plain and simple, a loner, the kind of player you walk on eggshells around. Get rid of him.

UWSaint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:57 am EP40 isn't fully rebound, but we are starting to get to the point where its not going to be a dump, and while the Canucks may be asked to take on bad salary to make the numbers work, its not going to be albatross bad salary for years to come.

Maybe...who the hell knows what's wrong with him now.

He signed his original contract with a cast in his wrist no?

And then.

And then.

And then.

Might be approaching Demko damaged goods territory with this guy.

donlever wrote: ↑Mon Dec 15, 2025 9:00 pm Bourque has second line C upside.

I figure he might get them Kadri or Tuch for a Cup run.

So that value needed to be matched.

I also figure we have to sell off MPs contract to a degree.

I have no clue why there is an intense interest in this player. He might be good someday, don't misunderstand me. And he fills line up spots today. But there are plenty of 23 or younger guys who have possible 2C futures. Canucks will be best off doing what they've did with Hughes -- get the best deal from the teams that really want the player your selling rather than going after particular players and offering your anchors. The negotiating dynamic is so much better.

I saw Sherwood + as part of the potential offers for this player. I could be wrong, but I think the Sherwood/Ohgren rumours could very well have been true. If Sherwood the Truculent, the Penalty Killer, the hard worker, the hate to play against, is also a 20 goal scorer at TDD, I see no reason why he wouldn't return a 1st, maybe even a 1st and some second /third tier prospect that fills up the Canucks system and whose NHL hopes still flicker. And a 1st from a playoff team is the equivalent of an Ohgren.

donlever wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:05 am Maybe...who the hell knows what's wrong with him now.

Presumably, the team knows. Though that too is quite a presumption....

We all operate in a bit of a vacuum on this stuff -- if Petey's in Demko territory, of course it changes calculus on what to hold out for. I'm just saying in a world where the injuries are not chronic, he will be reimagined by potential suitors to be the player he's becoming and not the player he was in 2022-23, and that player he is (on a path) to become gets a return the Canucks can use for the future even with the EP40s salary.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:58 am The Canucks will have to take a considerable contract back to get rid of Petey and I’m okay with that. I just want him gone.

I just don't think that has to be the case. (I mean, quite likely short term to make the cap numbers work, but not as a part of a "sweetner.") All the things you think EP40 did to cause whatever's happened in Vancouver, to an outside team, there are lots of other obvious contributing explanations. He's not the unique poison. And whatever EP40 did to rebuff Hughes invite, guess what? He also came back in better shape and more determined and is in the middle of improving a golf swing and it is starting to pay dividends.

There needs to be one 2 suitors who think that EP40 can fall into this Kopitar-type bucket to drive up that price -- or one, thinking there is another and management not having a hot potato attitude. It is not the player's value to the selling team that controls the price.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:58 am The Canucks will have to take a considerable contract back to get rid of Petey and I’m okay with that. I just want him gone.

The one story I find interesting and eye opening is Hughes inviting Petey to come work out with him last off season in Michigan. He declined. Says a lot to me. He’s an enigma plain and simple, a loner, the kind of player you walk on eggshells around. Get rid of him.

Are you sure?

During the offseason before the 2025–26 season, there were reports that Hughes had invited Pettersson and others to join offseason training at his family’s Michigan facility, a place Quinn’s dad runs performance camps. But players including Pettersson often choose their own training routines depending on injuries, personal preference, and what they feel is best for their preparation — and there was no direct reporting stating Pettersson refused or “declined” a specific invite from Hughes

EP, like many Swedes returns home to train in the offseason, I wonder if Hughes would have accepted an invitation to spend his offseason away from family training in Sweden?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:47 am coming up. Put the C on Boeser.

I dunno about that. I don't know who I'd pick for the C, but Boeser is far from my 1st choice. He is way too quiet, imo. I'd prefer a heart n soul guy. Sherwood ranks higher for me than Brock.

rikster wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:29 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:58 am The Canucks will have to take a considerable contract back to get rid of Petey and I’m okay with that. I just want him gone.

The one story I find interesting and eye opening is Hughes inviting Petey to come work out with him last off season in Michigan. He declined. Says a lot to me. He’s an enigma plain and simple, a loner, the kind of player you walk on eggshells around. Get rid of him.

Are you sure?

During the offseason before the 2025–26 season, there were reports that Hughes had invited Pettersson and others to join offseason training at his family’s Michigan facility, a place Quinn’s dad runs performance camps. But players including Pettersson often choose their own training routines depending on injuries, personal preference, and what they feel is best for their preparation — and there was no direct reporting stating Pettersson refused or “declined” a specific invite from Hughes

EP, like many Swedes returns home to train in the offseason, I wonder if Hughes would have accepted an invitation to spend his offseason away from family training in Sweden?

I doubt the invitation was any longer than a couple weeks… tons of time for both.