Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:15 pm
Well if it’s on the internet it must be true.
Reefer is a fuck wad.
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Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:37 pm
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 pm
Like all trumpets, resort to name calling.
Go smoke some more Tops, you still have a couple brain cells and since you are not using them you won’t miss them.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:18 pm
It's much worse than that.
Reefer is a fuckwad who is oblivious to the fact he's a fuckwad.
OMG so much irony lol... keep sharing your deep insights on American politics there Reefy!
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:24 pm
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:27 pm
Lol - sureStrangelove wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:18 pmIt's much worse than that.
Reefer is a fuckwad who is oblivious to the fact he's a fuckwad.
OMG so much irony lol... keep sharing your deep insights on American politics there Reefy!
Thanks you prove my point.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:28 pm
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:32 pm
Yawn burp fart.
Same old thing.
Same old thing.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:23 am
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:06 am
Oh my since Conrad Black thinks he will be elected then everyone can go home and just let Donald do his thing.
Of course some people are easily fooled so who knows what will happen in 2020.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:50 pm
^ Reefer you silly poser, you add nothing to the conversation, go make a fool of yourself somewhere else.
Or go play in traffic, the grownups are talking...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/impeach ... el-beccaro
Or go play in traffic, the grownups are talking...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/impeach ... el-beccaro
1. Democrats think Joe Biden is immune. The Democrats are saying that the Trump White House and Department of Justice cannot get information from the Ukraine on Biden because he is running for president and therefore is Trump's rival. By their logic, therefore, Joe Biden is immune from a federal investigation while he runs for office against President Trump. How very convenient and absurd.
2. We now know that contrary to news reports and Democrats talking points, the Trump call transcript does NOT indicate Trump withheld aid in exchange for election help against Biden. There was no quid pro quo. The Democrats sold a false story.
The D.C. Democrats want to impeach Trump for activities that pale in comparison to what people in their party has been doing for years.
3. The Trump call transcript also indicates that the current Ukraine government is more than troubled about the Bidens' actions vis-a-vis the Ukraine and on their own is continuing to investigate that activity. In addition to that, the President of Ukraine continues to say there was no pressure from Trump to do anything related to that investigation.
4. A non-tortured reading of the Trump call transcript indicates that Trump asked for assistance with an ongoing DOJ investigation, which, Andrew McCarthy rightly said, is not a violation of the law. Indeed, there is a treaty between the U.S. and the Ukraine that was signed by President Bill Clinton that is entitled the Treaty with Ukraine on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. That treaty binds the respective countries to provide "documents, records and other items" to each other upon request.
5. “Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws” related to the Bidens.
In other words, long before Trump made a call, the Ukraine wanted to provide the U.S. information on the Bidens.
6. The Obama administration pressured “Ukraine’s prosecutors to drop an investigation into the Burisma Holdings gas company that employed Hunter Biden and to look for new evidence in a then-dormant criminal case against eventual Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a GOP lobbyist.”
7. The Obama White House and DNC directly solicited Ukrainian officialsto get involved in the 2016 campaign by asking for dirt on Manafort and by asking Ukrainian President to speak on U.S. soil negatively about Paul Manafort. That is far worse than what the Democrat allege Trump to have done.
8. Hunter Biden, who is generally incompetent and was kicked out of the Navy for drug use, made millions off contemporaneous to trips he made with his father when Biden was VP. The Democrats see no problem with that. Imagine if Donald Trump Jr. did that. Those payments absolutely were made to buy influence in the Obama Administration and are more than likely at the center of the Ukrainian prosecutor, that Joe Biden got fired after saying he would withhold aid, “was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm.” According to that prosecutor: “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors.”
9. The so-called whistleblower was fed the information by others and his attorney worked for Hillary and Schumer. Doesn’t that sound non-biased to you?
10. Finally, anyone on TV who jumped to the conclusion that Trump broke the law was trying to make a headline not a reasoned judgment with all the facts.
In short, the D.C. Democrats want to impeach Trump for activities that pale in comparison to what people in their party has been doing for years.
That is par for the course from them these days and a disgrace to the Constitution.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm
Actually, there is.....
The aid had been decided by congress. The president had nothing to do with it. He had no right to block it, nor did he have a legitimate reason to do so.
He did it just for leverage, and that could possibly be a criminal act.
Actually, there is....
By withholding the aid, he created leverage, he than asks for a favour.
This makes it very hard for the other person to deny that favour.
This is known as extortion.
This is exactly how the mob makes people dance to their tune, so no surprise.
A man who has made his money in construction and casinos probably must have a lot of experience in that.
Actually, there is...
In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.
No, he made that request broadcasted on TV:
”Russia, if you are listening...”
Mmmmmmm.... you may have misunderstood that piece.
VP Biden is on record bragging about having the prosecutor in that investigation fired, putting the brakes on the investigation.
Biden bragged about having the prosecutor fired, but that was after that investigation was finished, and Hunter Biden was cleared, so it had no bearing on the investigation.
But the US government, as well as most other western governments, felt the prosecutor was not doing enough to root out corruption in the Ukraine, which is why they leaned on Poroshenko to have him replace the prosecutor.
So it is kind of the reverse of the spin story Trump and Giuliani are spreading.
Actually, no, it does not.That's quite the IMAGINATION you have there!
As I explained earlier, nothing wrong with the Prez asking a foreign gov to complete their investigation on a crooked US citizen.
It happens all the time ...
In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.
This is why Swedish PM Löfven was shocked when Trump called and asked him to make sure Asap Rocky would be released.
Our constitution makes it quite clear that it would be a crime for the PM to interfer in a criminal investigation and try to influence its outcome.
It’s simply not how it is done in a democracy. But then I guess Trump has no clue to what the constitution is or what it .
Under him the US seems more and more like a banana republic, and sure, in those I guess none of the things listed above would seem out of place.
I’m just used to being able to expect more of that shining beacon on a hill.
Guess it’s lights out now.
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:46 pm
Doing what you do best, you resort to name calling and other childish behaviour. But then you idolize a child so I guess that’s normal.Strangelove wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:50 pm ^ Reefer you silly poser, you add nothing to the conversation, go make a fool of yourself somewhere else.
Or go play in traffic, the grownups are talking...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:26 pm
But he didn't withhold the aid for leverage.Per wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pmActually, there is.....
The aid had been decided by congress. The president had nothing to do with it. He had no right to block it, nor did he have a legitimate reason to do so.
He did it just for leverage, and that could possibly be a criminal act.
Dems said the phone-call transcript would prove the leverage theory.
It didn't.
The Dems were IMAGINING things.
And he absolutely had the right... as Prez... to delay the aid.
Again, it wasn't done for leverage.Per wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pmActually, there is....
By withholding the aid, he created leverage, he than asks for a favour.
This makes it very hard for the other person to deny that favour.
This is known as extortion.
And as shown above, twas the Ukraine who was pushing for the US to get involved in the investigation (back in July).
Trump was finally responding to that request, and offering to have US lawyers meet up with Ukrainian lawyers.
"Extortion"
Yes, quite the IMAGINATION indeed!
Mentioning it in a conversation is not "meddling".Per wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pmActually, there is...
In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.
Nothing wrong with mentioning that he was not opposed to the Ukraine investigation...
UMMMMM. It's called humour.
Otherwise, the Dems surely would have begun an impeachment inquiry on dat dere.
Speaking of that, I heard after this one fails they're gonna start an impeachment inquiry on an overdue library book from 1972.
Wrong. I have posted evidence to the contrary above...Per wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pmMmmmmmm.... you may have misunderstood that piece.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pm VP Biden is on record bragging about having the prosecutor in that investigation fired, putting the brakes on the investigation.
Biden bragged about having the prosecutor fired, but that was after that investigation was finished, and Hunter Biden was cleared, so it had no bearing on the investigation.
BLAH BLAH, like I said it wasn't "meddling" and it most certainly wasn't "collussion".Per wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pmActually, no, it does not.Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:30 pmThat's quite the IMAGINATION you have there!
As I explained earlier, nothing wrong with the Prez asking a foreign gov to complete their investigation on a crooked US citizen.
It happens all the time ...
In a real democracy you have strict separation between the branches of government.
For the executive branch to meddle in matters that belong to the judiciary is a strict no-no, and should be so both in the USA and the Ukraine.
This is why Swedish PM Löfven was shocked when Trump called and asked him to make sure Asap Rocky would be released.
Our constitution makes it quite clear that it would be a crime for the PM to interfer in a criminal investigation and try to influence its outcome.
It’s simply not how it is done in a democracy. But then I guess Trump has no clue to what the constitution is or what it .
Under him the US seems more and more like a banana republic, and sure, in those I guess none of the things listed above would seem out of place.
You're being ridiculous.
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
As if the heads of US and Ukraine can't talk about investigations their countries are cooperating on.
That's right, the Dims have been dimming the lights so they can proceed with their dirty deeds in the pale moonlight...
Re: US Erection 12 *AND* 16
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:33 pm
The withholding of aid paper work went through in two instances, one a couple of days before the phone cal, another, the day after the phone call. The Ukraine didn't know about it for another month.