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Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:44 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
How do you feel about MacEwan being potentially called up Doc? Or would you rather watch Air Thief and Granlund play out the string?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:46 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:43 pm
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:34 pm
Uncle dans leg wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:26 pm
He targeted one of the biggest playoff mailer inners ever...for the playoffs?
Sorry buds youre on your own with the bonino love. He was a disaster for us that series.
I don’t love Bonino. But he’s better than Birdbones.
Birdbones was a terrible target.
OMG Sutter isn't very tough but he would mop the floor with Birdbones Bonino!
As usual, Blobby fails to appreciate great defensive players, recall him pointing to Beagle's lack of goals the other day.
Lol more like Beagle’s lack of ability period.
Bonino has more fights than Sutter. He would bootfuck 162 pound Brandon in a fight.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:48 pm
by DonCherry4PM
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:02 am
You have to give Utica a big pass on #2. JB has had a lot of great pics, and our top 4 players (Horvat, Boesser, Pettersson and Hughes) all have by-passed Utica. If they all has 1 season in Utica before going to the NHL, we would not be having this discussion. Tryamkin can be thrown in there as well, as he should have played AHL, but refused to.
Regarding #1, with only 7 draft picks per year, it is still hard to fill your AHL team with enough prospects. In recent years, our 1st rounder has skipped Utica. And, as with all teams, we have a selection of guys who develop in Europe, develop in the NCAA, or who were a wild-card pick that never pan out. Throw in the Waiver issue, and it makes it even tougher for a team to be able to bring guys up and send them down as needed.
IMO, I don't worry about where guys develop, as long as the entire system the Canucks are using keeps developing players, and from what I have seen (Dahlen being an exception, I think...) the Canucks are doing a pretty good job f developing new talent.
Good points.
Re. #2 - if JB is as good at drafting as many think he is, those players that skipped AHL development because of their skill shouldnt be the only high-end skilled players we obtain from drafting - there should be more that make the jump but just take longer to do so and go through AHL duties to get there.
Re. #1 - As Blob noted, 7 draft picks is just what is allocated per team per year. I would argue (and have argued quite consistently) that in a rebuild more picks should be obtained - thus hopefully providing many more bodies in Utica to work their way to the big club.
I agree that being worried about where players develop isnt that big of an issue so long as they are developing - but again,if JB’s draft picks are as good and as deep as many say they are, then such picks should start emerging from Utica as well as other places in a big way. If not, they weren’t all that good to begin with or there is an issue with development.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:48 pm
by Strangelove
See what I mean about Blob's extreme hyperbole?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:49 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
Strangelove wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:48 pm
See what I mean about Blob's extreme hyperbole?
Yeah that might be a bit heavy
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:55 pm
by Strangelove
^ He just can't help himself!
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:46 pm
Bonino has more fights than Sutter.
So two is more than six in your world?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
Meh.... six fights or two. Sutters gloves have been welded on since he got here. He gets headlocked in scums more than Trevor Linden. Good riddance to bad rubbish hopefully along with Eriksson, Schaller, and Spooner.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:49 pm
by ESQ
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:15 am
I’ll take my chances in UFA rather than pissing away valuable assets for guys like Sutter when you already had Richardson and Bonino.
Just to be clear, the valuable assets you're referring to are bonino and 9 draft spots at the end of the 2nd round?
I guess right up until he traded for Gudbranson?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:00 pm
by ESQ
DonCherry4PM wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:26 pm
In answer to your question, Hall, Kucherov, Giroux, Subban (PK just so we are clear), Carlson etc.
Ok, so Subban is the only one of those who played a season.
None of those other guys were "developed" in the AHL. Kucherov was there for 17 games, ffs.
If a top offensive player develops in the AHL, it is a fluke. No franchise is churning out stars from their farm team.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:26 am
by DonCherry4PM
ESQ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:00 pm
DonCherry4PM wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:26 pm
In answer to your question, Hall, Kucherov, Giroux, Subban (PK just so we are clear), Carlson etc.
Ok, so Subban is the only one of those who played a season.
None of those other guys were "developed" in the AHL. Kucherov was there for 17 games, ffs.
If a top offensive player develops in the AHL, it is a fluke. No franchise is churning out stars from their farm team.
Your question was: “Can you give examples of skilled, high-end players from any organization that developed in the AHL?” And you also indicated: “skill guys simply don't spend time on the farm”. I provided a response to your question and facts which disproved your statement. You did not provide the qualifier of “that developed for a year or more in the AHL” or “don’t spend [a year or more] on the farm”. I would submit that development is not limited to stints of a year or more.
Secondly, I didnt say “stars”, I said skilled high-end players. Would you have preferred I said “top-six forwards and top 3 defensemen”?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:37 am
by ESQ
My question was:
ESQ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:02 am
Can you give examples of skilled, high-end players from any organization that
developed in the AHL?
You then listed players, some of whom played all of 17 games in the AHL. I don't consider that "being developed" in the AHL, for the same reason that people in this discussion aren't counting Bo as a Utica product.
I was actually surprised when I discovered this factoid about virtually all top-scoring NHLers having skipped the AHL altogether. I'm not surprised the alumni association puts out a misleading stat like 89% of NHLers are alumni, but clearly the 11% who aren't are the most skilled high-end (I called them stars, you called them skilled high end, I don't think that changes the substance of our points at all).
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:58 pm
by DonCherry4PM
ESQ wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:37 am
My question was:
ESQ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:02 am
Can you give examples of skilled, high-end players from any organization that
developed in the AHL?
You then listed players, some of whom played all of 17 games in the AHL. I don't consider that "being developed" in the AHL, for the same reason that people in this discussion aren't counting Bo as a Utica product.
I was actually surprised when I discovered this factoid about virtually all top-scoring NHLers having skipped the AHL altogether. I'm not surprised the alumni association puts out a misleading stat like 89% of NHLers are alumni, but clearly the 11% who aren't are the most skilled high-end (I called them stars, you called them skilled high end, I don't think that changes the substance of our points at all).
I consider "skilled high-end players" to include more than "stars" (i.e. I consider them to include legitimate “top-six forwards and top 3 defensemen”). Those comprise more than 11% of the NHL, hence many are alumni of the AHL and have "developed in the AHL".
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:03 am
by Lancer
Marty St. Louis was a minor leaguer forever, but that had more to do with size bias in the league at the time.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:22 am
by Chef Boi RD
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm
Meh.... six fights or two. Sutters gloves have been welded on since he got here. He gets headlocked in scums more than Trevor Linden. Good riddance to bad rubbish hopefully along with Eriksson, Schaller, and Spooner.
Is there still fighting in the NHL?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:26 pm
by Madcombinepilot
6 rookies in the lineup last night.
anyone still really complaining that we cant draft and develop players anymore should give their head a shake.
I love how at the beginning of the year, there was a whack of people who were predicting that we would not give youth a chance this year.
How many rookies have cycled through? 9? 10? probably see 2 more...
Future is starting to look pretty good
