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Well said.

There is a lot of truth in what is written here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sm-el-paso

When you criticise President Trump you are often met with "... but he's good for the economy!"

Yeah, right, eh?

While he was very fond of bragging about how the Dow Jones improved under him early on in his presidency, I always suggested at least part of the increase was due to the healthy economy Obama had managed to create despite the dumpster fire he inherited from Dubya. And as Trump's own policies of trade war and subsidizing dying dinosaurs lkike the coal industry, the numbers are beginning to decline.

This link provides a fun interactive graph where you can compare the Dow Jones index performance under different presidents.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock- ... bhCx0-3NFw

The default gives you the last three (Dubya, Obama and Trump) but you can add (or delete) other presidents by clicking on their name.
For fun you can add Clinton and see how he blows everyone else out of the water. But I digress.

In the first twelve months of Trump's reign the Dow Jones increased by 31.6%, which is rather impressive. The number for Obama's first year was 25.8, Clinton 20.2 and Dubya -8.9. But as I said, Trump was in part riding the wave created by Obama. The Dow Jones climed 42.5 percentage points in Obama's last twelve months! Remember, he was off to a slow start due to the disaster he was handed by Dubya. The economy was still shrinking into mid February of his first year.

But since those first shiny twelve months of Trumpism, things have not gone so well. The Dow Jones is now 29.5% higher than when Trump took office. That's right. Over the last 194months the Dow Jones has been at a standstill, or even dropped slightly, due to the uncertainties in the market created by Don's rule-by-twitter leadership. At the same point in their presidencies Clinton had reached 39.3 and Obama a rosy 45.2 (Dubya was in the basementg with -13.5%).

Seen over the full eight years, Dow Jones climed a soaring 228.9% under Clinton (his wife had probably brought more of the same business friendly politics) and an almost as good 148.3% under Obama. Under Dubya it shrunk 26.5%.

But what about Reagan, you say. Sure. Under Reagan the Dow Jones increased a whopping 147.3%. Virtually as good as under Obama. Not quite, but pretty close. It's fair to conclude that Reagan was almost as good for business as Obama. But of course not as good as Clinton.

So how about the Don? It's early to say, of course, but it seems he has lost the momentum he had when Obama handed him the car keys. It's puttering along, but if he keeps insisting on these trade wars, he'll certainly mess up the efficiency of the market economy.

I'm an optimist, so I doubt he'll manage to mess things up quite as bad as Dubya.
Maybe he can reach the 40.6% of Gerald Ford or 41.3% of George HW Bush?

If he insists on escalating the trade wars it'll probably be Dubya, Nixon or even Hoover territory though.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
You're right Rats, these people don't just exaggerate, they spread bald faced lies.

So when you say bald faced, do you mean clean shaven?

(I put the expression in bold face, to make it easier to locate)

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:02 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
You're right Rats, these people don't just exaggerate, they spread bald faced lies.

So when you say bald faced, do you mean clean shaven?

(I put the expression in bold face, to make it easier to locate)

It took Donald Trump 343 days to utter 1,000 false claims as president.
Then his dishonesty accelerated. It took him just 197 days to get to 2,000 false claims.
Then it got worse again: it took 93 days to get to 3,000. And then it got worse once more: it took him 75 days to hit 4,000.
It took another 125 days to get to 5,000 false claims

Through Sunday, Trump has made an astonishing 5,276 false claims in office, an overall average of 6.1 per day.

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/anal ... ident.html

In all fairness, all politicians tend to state things that are incorrect.

I think I've seen a figure that roughly 16% of Obama's claims were found to be untrue.
But what's remarkable with Trump is that a majority of his claims are found to be false.
No other American president has been close to his numbers.

The question is, is it deliberate, or is he just a compulsive liar that really has no true concept of truth?

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:55 am In all fairness, all politicians tend to state things that are incorrect.

I think I've seen a figure that roughly 16% of Obama's claims were found to be untrue.
But what's remarkable with Trump is that a majority of his claims are found to be false.
No other American president has been close to his numbers.

The question is, is it deliberate, or is he just a compulsive liar that really has no true concept of truth?

I’d guess it would depend on the type of lie. He’s guilty of a few different kinds and it would come down to motivation.

To be fair as you say, all politicians lie and Donald is not the only one. But for me I guess the one that puts me off is the lying for attention seeking. It’s embarrassing and really if I’m his handlers I’d be trying to get his phone off him. It’s the middle of the night shitter twitter that’s really damaging.

Unfiltered cunt...



White Lies. A white lie is often called the least serious of all lies. ...
Broken Promises. Broken promises are a failure to keep one's spoken commitment or promise. ...
The Lie of Fabrication. ...
The Bold-Faced Lie. ...
The Lying in Exaggeration. ...
Lies of Deception. ...
Plagiarism. ...
Compulsive Lying

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:47 am Unfiltered cunt...



White Lies. A white lie is often called the least serious of all lies. ...
Broken Promises. Broken promises are a failure to keep one's spoken commitment or promise. ...
The Lie of Fabrication. ...
The Bold-Faced Lie. ...
The Lying in Exaggeration. ...
Lies of Deception. ...
Plagiarism. ...
Compulsive Lying

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:30 pm WPE

Racist

Bigot

Sexist

Liar

Poor business man, I mean how many times will he declare bankruptcy?

Crook

Divides the country like no previous president

Likes incest, why else would he comment about how “hot” his daughter is at the age of 16?

Has ADHD or maybe the start of dementia, why else would he be mumbling and rambling when he talks, or did they really have air fields in the war of independence?

Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers say the darndest things!

Can't wait to see the screwball accusations after Donny is re-elected!!

.
Yee-Ha

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:38 pm

ukcanuck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:47 am Unfiltered cunt...



White Lies. A white lie is often called the least serious of all lies. ...
Broken Promises. Broken promises are a failure to keep one's spoken commitment or promise. ...
The Lie of Fabrication. ...
The Bold-Faced Lie. ...
The Lying in Exaggeration. ...
Lies of Deception. ...
Plagiarism. ...
Compulsive Lying

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:30 pm WPE

Racist

Bigot

Sexist

Liar

Poor business man, I mean how many times will he declare bankruptcy?

Crook

Divides the country like no previous president

Likes incest, why else would he comment about how “hot” his daughter is at the age of 16?

Has ADHD or maybe the start of dementia, why else would he be mumbling and rambling when he talks, or did they really have air fields in the war of independence?

Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers say the darndest things!

Can't wait to see the screwball accusations after Donny is re-elected!!

We are talking about Donny not people of the USA who his shit up and actually believe what he says.

Someone should look into his birth certificate, no way a red blooded USA citizen would act like he does.

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:38 pm We are talking about Donny not people of the USA who his shit up and actually believe what he says.

Engrish prease!

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:58 pm

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:38 pm We are talking about Donny not people of the USA who his shit up and actually believe what he says.

Engrish prease!

Just woke up when I wrote that, in Japan and I’m tired today. That’s my excuse for this one.

Plus I’m old and hard to see on my iPhone.

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:25 pm Just woke up when I wrote that, in Japan and I’m tired today. That’s my excuse for this one.

Plus I’m old and hard to see on my iPhone.

Fish died off again?

Given his long history of bankrupcies, this should come as no surprise;

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-ad ... hoofinance

I guess Trump can make it political?

I mean the number of people attending a rally must be important.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-r ... ims-2019-8

Reefer2 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:55 pm I guess Trump can make it political?

I mean the number of people attending a rally must be important.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-r ... ims-2019-8

If you read that post in JLs voice it makes alot more sense