JT Miller Traded to NYR + Marcus Pettersson Acquired from Pens

[theman]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Is that forward they got from Pittsburgh at least tough?

[306NucksFan]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Boeser will be moved on for picks.

[Cousin Strawberry]

We’ve been together for five-and-a-half years here and he’s been such a big part of the room. It’s always a weird feeling. I didn’t get to see him, it happened so fast before the game," said Myers, later adding, "He held so much weight in the room, probably the most I’ve seen on any team I’ve been on."

Now Myers is hoping the team can move on and play better with no off-ice distractions.

"There was an incredible amount of unnecessary noise around all this stuff the last month or two," said Myers. "In a lot of ways, I’m glad. It’s a fresh start for both sides in terms of the noise. You always want to look forward and I wish Millsy all the best; we’ll talk a bunch.”

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canu ... e-10166167


I guess we know how the giraffe feels lol

[Chef Boi RD]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Boeser will be moved on for picks.

You know that’s not the plan right? Maybe they do but they’ll flip them the same way they did with the Rangers and Islanders pick and it best be for scoring.

[rikster]

I had always thought JT was exactly what the Sabres needed so when I heard of the trade to the Rangers I was a bit disappointed at Buffalo for not stepping up....

But after reading the article in The Athletic and watching the Alvin interview today it became clear that Miller was excersising his No Movement Clause to steer the deal to the Rangers...

Almost to the point that you wonder if there was some tampering going on from the Rangers and his agent...

Even more reason to park any remorse over losing him....

Take care...

[Cousin Strawberry]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Boeser will be moved on for picks.

You know that’s not the plan right? Maybe they do but they’ll flip them the same way they did with the Rangers and Islanders pick and it best be for scoring.

We need a pending Ufa list for teams falling out of the race

[UWSaint]

Rangers fans not loving the deal isn’t an indication that it is a good one. For a team with a few older guys showing signs of decline on long term expensive contracts, adding another one and is a strange move. Wrong time in the cycle (arguably).


Reading through this thread, I think fans read way too much into a Miller v. Petey battle. I have little doubt there isn’t a lot of love between them, but their problems are each fundamentally on the ice. Best point in Miller’s favor made in this thread is that when Miller activates beast mode, he was close to unstoppable, and if you want to win in the playoffs, you need that. But the thing is, we haven’t seen it this year. Instead, we’ve seen a guy who gives up on plays, makes more boneheaded decisions than the rest of the team combined (well, maybe take Hoglander out of the rest of the team), hasn’t directed energy properly, and by more reports, has been chucking stones in a glass house. (Posters saying he’s the only guy who cares, give your head a shake. Not everyone expresses their intensity so visibly, and when you are showing how much you care by pushing for more from your teammates, try first establishing the ability to lead by example).

After EP40’s entire game was off last spring and first few weeks of this season, he is now battling only productivity problems. He’s played equal to or outplayed Miller nearly every game since Miller went on his leave. Way fewer shit plays, way more consistency 200 feet, and pretty clear intention to do the things coach’s needed him to do more (move). Don’t misunderstand me, there’s no way EP40 is worth it to this team if the productivity doesn’t follow. We don’t need 8 figure second liners—and that’s what he is right now. But this is the thing about EP40; when he’s not productive, he’s not a liability. But Miller’s productivity often came with liability tradeoffs in the best of times, and the struggling JT had more negatives than positive regardless of what’s in the room.

Still, man, that good JT was something very special. Something Bo could never bring, something that seemed capable of shining through against the best players.

I’ve posted it many times. The Canucks without Demko and with an underperforming EP40 or Miller can’t be anything more mediocre. The shit part of these deals is that nothing special came back — now the Canucks need EP40 and Demko cooking to be a team that cooks, because the team doesn’t have another player capable of playing like a star for any significant stretch of time. The core is too thin and too inconsistent (whether injury or whatever’s happened to EP40) to build around. I think the complementary parts are much stronger, but planets without stars are driftless and lifeless.

[rikster]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Boeser will be moved on for picks.

You know that’s not the plan right? Maybe they do but they’ll flip them the same way they did with the Rangers and Islanders pick and it best be for scoring.

We need a pending Ufa list for teams falling out of the race

Good idea...

[Chef Boi RD]

Kesler 2.0

You never win in this situation unless you’re the acquiring team that was waived for, and of course the player themself.

[rikster]

Rangers fans not loving the deal isn’t an indication that it is a good one. For a team with a few older guys showing signs of decline on long term expensive contracts, adding another one and is a strange move. Wrong time in the cycle (arguably).


Reading through this thread, I think fans read way too much into a Miller v. Petey battle. I have little doubt there isn’t a lot of love between them, but their problems are each fundamentally on the ice. Best point in Miller’s favor made in this thread is that when Miller activates beast mode, he was close to unstoppable, and if you want to win in the playoffs, you need that. But the thing is, we haven’t seen it this year. Instead, we’ve seen a guy who gives up on plays, makes more boneheaded decisions than the rest of the team combined (well, maybe take Hoglander out of the rest of the team), hasn’t directed energy properly, and by more reports, has been chucking stones in a glass house. (Posters saying he’s the only guy who cares, give your head a shake. Not everyone expresses their intensity so visibly, and when you are showing how much you care by pushing for more from your teammates, try first establishing the ability to lead by example).

After EP40’s entire game was off last spring and first few weeks of this season, he is now battling only productivity problems. He’s played equal to or outplayed Miller nearly every game since Miller went on his leave. Way fewer shit plays, way more consistency 200 feet, and pretty clear intention to do the things coach’s needed him to do more (move). Don’t misunderstand me, there’s no way EP40 is worth it to this team if the productivity doesn’t follow. We don’t need 8 figure second liners—and that’s what he is right now. But this is the thing about EP40; when he’s not productive, he’s not a liability. But Miller’s productivity often came with liability tradeoffs in the best of times, and the struggling JT had more negatives than positive regardless of what’s in the room.

Still, man, that good JT was something very special. Something Bo could never bring, something that seemed capable of shining through against the best players.

I’ve posted it many times. The Canucks without Demko and with an underperforming EP40 or Miller can’t be anything more mediocre. The shit part of these deals is that nothing special came back — now the Canucks need EP40 and Demko cooking to be a team that cooks, because the team doesn’t have another player capable of playing like a star for any significant stretch of time. The core is too thin and too inconsistent (whether injury or whatever’s happened to EP40) to build around. I think the complementary parts are much stronger, but planets without stars are driftless and lifeless.

When you are sent home to take a mental health break and you are the alpha dog you know it has gotten to the point of no return, so don't think anyone is making more out of it than what is there...

Take care....

btw, I prefer my rope analogy

[UWSaint]

When you are sent home to take a mental health break and you are the alpha dog you know it has gotten to the point of no return, so don't think anyone is making more out of it than what is there...

Take care....

btw, I prefer my rope analogy

Totally agree—but that’s evidence people are making way more out of the Petey-Miller thing than what’s there. The circumstantial evidence is that JT hit an extraordinary low. It is so very unlikely to be just or primarily caused by friction with EP40, and so much more likely that frictions are symptoms more than causes, though life has its feedback loops.

[donlever]

Kesler 2.0

You never win in this situation unless you’re the acquiring team that was waived for, and of course the player themself.

...we did garner moving forward cap space.

Which helps open up a good deal of options for next season and beyond.

If anyone wants to sign here and play with a field of Petunias and this Mgmt group that is.

[rikster]

When you are sent home to take a mental health break and you are the alpha dog you know it has gotten to the point of no return, so don't think anyone is making more out of it than what is there...

Take care....

btw, I prefer my rope analogy

Totally agree—but that’s evidence people are making way more out of the Petey-Miller thing than what’s there. The circumstantial evidence is that JT hit an extraordinary low. It is so very unlikely to be just or primarily caused by friction with EP40, and so much more likely that frictions are symptoms more than causes, though life has its feedback loops.

I've shared this before so not a new thought but I was taught in situations where an organization is underperforming and the top performer is causing issues within the team its best to move the top performer ..

If the value the top perfomer brings is outweighed by the negative value they bring to the team, in the end its a straightforward decision made easier by the fact that Miller is having a poor year...

On top of that we are learning that Miller has been pushing for a trade since December and he was leveraging his no movement clause to go to the Rangers preventing the Canucks from maximizing the return...

Take care...

[Topper]

Is the hope that D Pete v2 is a younger Tanev?

I was wondering that in his 2 game audition. He should at least be a serviceable 3 pairing, hoping he can become a reliable 2nd pairing defensive d man.

Not D Pete v1

[Picker of Cherries]

While the D is looking somewhat better, scoring is going to/has now become a serious problem. Re-upping on Boeser may be the wisest decision.

Boeser will be moved on for picks.

Probably a first rounder. The question is, what will it be moved for?
The Baldies ain’t keeping it.