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Tciso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:25 am It's all Myers. He's out to make me look bad

As long as all of his chaos is off the ice, I'm ok with it.

Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:13 pm

Carl Yagro wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:43 pm Just checking in to see if Cuz is alright... 3 more years of Giraffephobia.

Bluegear was a great signing.

Not so thrilled with Jeremy's contract and term, but pretty much expected it.

Needed to retain Joshua's size and girth, but have a nagging feeling he won't fully live up to his new contract's expectations. Hope to be wrong.

Enough left for what Big Z wants?

Yes enough left for big Z but I still don't know how they plan to land a true top six.

another good thing Allvin has done is that he won't have to go through this next season. The only big name that may be needing a contract is Boeser. Allvin has bought himself a few years of cap certainty.

The Canucks I believe are gonna go Las Vegas style going all in on a top winger like Guentzel and walk Boeser to UFA saying goodbye to Brock and letting Lekkerimaki fill in on Boesers spot the next season after cooking. The ELC on Lekkerimaki is something they are relying on. It’s all about the playoffs currently, they like the idea of having both Boeser and Guentzel on the wings on the top two lines for another playoff run. The Vegas style year by year playoff building and reinvent the next year, it’s a new style of cap managing for post season playoff Haves like Vegas and now the Canucks, whereby players like Boeser are walked to UFA and said goodbye to all in the name of Lord Stanley. I think it’s a smart move as it’s all about winning the cup when you’re in the position to, strike while the irons hot, unfortunately sacrifices (losing Boeser for nothing) have to be accepted. The rebuild era is over.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:43 am The Canucks I believe are gonna go Las Vegas style going all in on a top winger like Guentzel and walk Boeser to UFA saying goodbye to Brock and letting Lekkerimaki fill in on Boesers spot the next season after cooking. The ELC on Lekkerimaki is something they are relying on. It’s all about the playoffs currently, they like the idea of having both Boeser and Guentzel on the wings on the top two lines for another playoff run. The Vegas style year by year playoff building and reinvent the next year, it’s a new style of cap managing for post season playoff Haves like Vegas and now the Canucks, whereby players like Boeser are walked to UFA and said goodbye to all in the name of Lord Stanley. I think it’s a smart move as it’s all about winning the cup when you’re in the position to, strike while the irons hot, unfortunately sacrifices (losing Boeser for nothing) have to be accepted. The rebuild era is over.

I think this is right w/r/t the Canucks and Boeser and plans at right wing. There are three possibilities for Boeser. (1) You make him part of your long term plans by signing him to a multiyear deal when the season is done (because unless his health concern is serious, that's his market); (2) You trade him now/this offseason; (3) he's an internal year long rental.

(1) is unlikely to be the best option if the Canucks are adding something significant in the top 6 that itself is going to be a multiyear deal. A significant player is going to be seen as in the core or as close to it as Boeser. And if they don't add that player/deal, its still not obvious that Boeser will be the best option because I don't see him as inner core -- will depend a lot on term and price and what else is out there. Not writing it off entirely, but he's not worth planning around like Demko or Hughes.

(2) is unlikely because there are questions about his health, so that the market's depressed as compared to what it might have been. (But oh my, if Mangiapane @ 5.8 million with a year remaining coming off a 43 point and 40 point campaign got a 2d....).

Of course, knowing now that (3) is most likely doesn't foreclose (1) if circumstances later suggest that, it just means this isn't the contract that gets an early priority. Reassess at the All-Star break at the soonest.

I'd be looking to maximize internal roi on Boeser within the parameters of moving him for external roi down the road....

I don't think his usefulness through his next contract will meet the salary requirements necessary to sign him.

Well that sucks - but I'm trusting the people in charge know what they're doing - they'll need to replace that size and grit.

By this time Monday

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Tanev
Dillon Myers
Friedman Juulsen

Book it!

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:10 am I think this is right w/r/t the Canucks and Boeser and plans at right wing. There are three possibilities for Boeser. (1) You make him part of your long term plans by signing him to a multiyear deal when the season is done (because unless his health concern is serious, that's his market); (2) You trade him now/this offseason; (3) he's an internal year long rental.

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(2) is unlikely because there are questions about his health, so that the market's depressed as compared to what it might have been. (But oh my, if Mangiapane @ 5.8 million with a year remaining coming off a 43 point and 40 point campaign got a 2d....).

I've read this a few times on this here message board, but frankly I don't think there are that many questions within the organization (unless HW has heard otherwise). He suffered a blood clot in his leg following a heavy impact to the same area. Blood clots usually don't present with any real symptoms quickly unless it is a full occlusion of a deep vessel. As Boeser has state - he noticed some discomfort in game 5 and the scan revealed some blood clots in the smaller vessels, so he was able to play, then it got a bit more uncomfortable and the follow-up (which I'm sure they would have been doing regardless of symptoms) revealed that it had migrated to a deep vessel. Again, not an unfathomable progression as smaller veins transport blood to the larger, deeper, veins as they return to the heart. When a clot forms the risk is stasis behind the clot which leads to more clotting. Eventually back pressure and muscle movement can cause the clot to dislodge and move. Since the veins become larger the deeper they go, a slowly migrating clot has the chance to actually increase in size, this means when it hits a deep vein it has gotten to a size that it can lodge there. In Boeser's case he had multiple smaller clots in the same area (where the puck impacted) those micro clots would have undergone the migration that I just described and you had the potential for them to arrive in a deeper vessel close together and, in essence, reinforce each other.

If you are concerned about why this happened in the first place, well it's not unreasonable for this to happen and the venous stasis could have occurred because of localized tissue swelling that is a natural result of that type of blunt impact.

None of these things are screaming out that he has a chronic blood clotting disorder. The only concern is how quickly the clot completely resolves and his blood thinner regimen can be discontinued as that will effect how hard he can train and when he can be cleared for contact.

Picker of Cherries wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:15 pm By this time Monday

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Tanev
Dillon Myers
Friedman Juulsen

Book it!

Hard pass on Tanev in the top-4. We need someone who can historically be depended upon to play more than 60 games.

You can only imagine that they are far apart in cap/dollars/term. Too bad really but I feel better knowing we won't overpay. It must be true they are looking at making a play from high end top six. Our D will be scary next year.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:34 am

Tciso wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:25 am It's all Myers. He's out to make me look bad

As long as all of his chaos is off the ice, I'm ok with it.

Myers really seems to like Tochett's system, compared to Green's or Bruce's lack of a system. He was a lot less chaotic this last season, although, I do think he needs a boob job. He's like Dolly Parton - still can't see his feet.

Picker of Cherries wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:15 pm By this time Monday

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Tanev
Dillon Myers
Friedman Juulsen

Book it!

Between Soucy and Tanev I highly doubt we can get a a combined 100 games

I think we say no to Tanev

ageing, injury history, and Canucks luck with injury-prone players

Mëds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:26 pm Boeser and clots

With a name like Mëds, maybe you are his doctor? Otherwise, I don't disagree with anything that you say except that the cause of clots is often unknown, his were eliminated (I didn't read if it was a surgical procedure or otherwise), we can assume he was prescribed some kind of clot buster (eliquis), if after x time (I think several weeks) there's no evidence of clots, he'll get taken of the Mëds (probably put on a thinner). Depending on the type of clot/cause of clot (I don't know what it was), he may require a stent.

If there's evidence of more clotting, then things will be taken slowly, and teams would be rightly cautious to add him because a chronic issue won't be ruled out. My view is the window for moving Boeser is now and I am not sure he's far enough removed from the clot for a chronic clotting issue to be ruled out. Most likely, Boeser's fine and will be back by training camp or a little after, but that "most likely" isn't what a buying team is going to want for security, especially when getting a guy on a one year deal.

So, yeah, the market for not cleared to play guys without a certain timetable for return is depressed.

Cornuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:07 pm Well that sucks - but I'm trusting the people in charge know what they're doing - they'll need to replace that size and grit.

They don't want to give 5 by 5 (or more?) for a #4-5. Leaning on him to be more is quite a ceiling on what you expect from your D.

He was a good Canuck, but he's going to command a lot more than his value. Yet the UFA market is relatively deep with D FAs. There are options, and this group also knows how to take advantage of in season opportunities.

UWSaint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:21 pm

Mëds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:26 pm Boeser and clots

With a name like Mëds, maybe you are his doctor? Otherwise, I don't disagree with anything that you say except that the cause of clots is often unknown, his were eliminated (I didn't read if it was a surgical procedure or otherwise), we can assume he was prescribed some kind of clot buster (eliquis), if after x time (I think several weeks) there's no evidence of clots, he'll get taken of the Mëds (probably put on a thinner). Depending on the type of clot/cause of clot (I don't know what it was), he may require a stent.

Treatment for DVT's is usually not TPA (clot busters). TPA/TNK act by accelerating the bodies natural clot busting mechanisms (that's why they are called activators). Eliquis is not a clot buster, it is a blood thinner. Blood thinners are the usual first line for what Boeser had.

He said he was put on a thinner.