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I guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:33 amStaal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.Tciso wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:18 am What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.
Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.
Well unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:02 pmI guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:33 amStaal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.Tciso wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:18 am What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.
Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.
The buying team will determine the price.
I read this the other day. Pretty sure it was less than $3M of savings, and then the impact over the following 2 years was not worth it.
No, I get that. The point I was making, is that it probably won’t cost us Hoglander, a 1st, and Virtanen (or something to that cost) as a price tag to move him as some suggest. If we find the right partner, and can fill the right need, he can be moved. Or terminated.. or killed (don’t matter to me) for the comparable cost of a second.. or even cheaper.Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:57 pmWell unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:02 pmI guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:33 amStaal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.Tciso wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:18 am What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.
Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.
The buying team will determine the price.
Roussel, Beagle, and Sutter are all more useful players than Loui Eriksson in a bottom-6 role. We think all of them are over paid, and Loui makes $1.6M more than the closest paycheque in that group.
In the Staal vs Eriksson case, the former will play 15+ minutes a night, and do so responsibly filling his role of eating minutes and keeping the puck to the outside. Likely while partnered with a younger, future top-4, who will benefit from his experience. He won't drag down a line, and he won't be a $6M healthy scratch in big games.
Not sure how much clearer a perspective one can grasp for the market.
Ahhh... Ok. I agree, though it likely could cost us one of Virtanen or Hoglander. A 1st is too high. And certainly not all 3.Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:11 pmNo, I get that. The point I was making, is that it probably won’t cost us Hoglander, a 1st, and Virtanen (or something to that cost) as a price tag to move him as some suggest. If we find the right partner, and can fill the right need, he can be moved. Or terminated.. or killed (don’t matter to me) for the comparable cost of a second.. or even cheaper.Mëds wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:57 pmWell unless your perception of the market is badly skewed then you know that an aging top-4 pairing defenseman, who can now only play 15 minutes a night on the bottom pair, is worth a helluvalot more than an aging winger who is only suitable for few than 10 minutes per game including PK duty.Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:02 pmI guess it’s how you perceive the market. Both are bottom guys with big contracts. Some teams might be looking for “cheap cap space” to get to the cap floor. Louise can play a 4th line role for them. One one hand, the extra contract year is crappy for some teams close to the cap. On teams looking to get to the floor for the next couple years, it’s not a bad thing. Heck, a desperate team might actually give us something back to get to the floor. (Not likely, but possible!)Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:33 amStaal only has one year left. Louise has two years. Staal isn’t a completely useless piece of shit. Eriksson is. These situations are not similar.Tciso wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:18 am What is Loui's real trade cost. Detroit got a 2nd to take on Marc Staal, who's cap is $5.7, and cash is $3.2 (assuming signing bonus has been paid). Loui is only owed $5, and has a cap hit of $12. And, he's still a serviceable bottom 6 guy for a crappy team.
Staal seems to have set the price for Loui at around a 2nd, or maybe even a 3rd. Anything less is a great deal.
The buying team will determine the price.
Roussel, Beagle, and Sutter are all more useful players than Loui Eriksson in a bottom-6 role. We think all of them are over paid, and Loui makes $1.6M more than the closest paycheque in that group.
In the Staal vs Eriksson case, the former will play 15+ minutes a night, and do so responsibly filling his role of eating minutes and keeping the puck to the outside. Likely while partnered with a younger, future top-4, who will benefit from his experience. He won't drag down a line, and he won't be a $6M healthy scratch in big games.
Not sure how much clearer a perspective one can grasp for the market.
If 6 million dollar cap hit (Marleau) is worth a 1st,theman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:
Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)
We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.
I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.
1. Other teams know they have the Canucks 'by the balls' so they can try to leverage that to get a higher pick from us?Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:21 pmIf 6 million dollar cap hit (Marleau) is worth a 1st,theman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:
Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)
We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.
I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.
And a 5 million cap hit (Stall) is worth a second,
Then why is a 3 million hit (50% of Loise) that only costs 1 million worth a Third?
I dunno man, here’s an article with some of the stats I was talking aboutDoyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:00 pm lol he drags that line down. Horvat and Pearson are giving lip service. The guy is a disaster. Staal is about as bad as Gudbranson minus the pseudo toughness. Both are still capable of playing 15 min a night in the leaguein a 6/7 role. Louise does not belong in the league.
I liked Sl trade which was Demko + LE and we receive a 2nd back.theman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:
Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)
We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.
I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.
Personally I can’t stand the look of him..Doyle Hargraves wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:43 pm And then there was the recent Canucks Army piece that said he was the least engaged and productive player on the Canucks in the post season. Obviously Green had enough. He scratched him 8 straight. The guy is done. Probably my most hated Canuck ever.
In the case of Marleau, the Canes agreed to carry a $6M cap hit and pay $4.6M real dollars to a player they had to buy out.theman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:25 pm1. Other teams know they have the Canucks 'by the balls' so they can try to leverage that to get a higher pick from us?Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:21 pmIf 6 million dollar cap hit (Marleau) is worth a 1st,theman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:17 pm Posted this earlier, but I think the best we can hope for, other than him being a 'throw in' for a blockbuster trade is:
Loui (50% retained) + 3rd round pick for future considerations (something like a 7th round pick)
We loose a decent asset but get 3 mil in cap savings. That I think might be the best we can hope for.
I would rather send him to Utica and get 1 mil in savings then give up a 1st.
And a 5 million cap hit (Stall) is worth a second,
Then why is a 3 million hit (50% of Loise) that only costs 1 million worth a Third?
2. Benning has a bad poker face.
3. Loui has two years left on his contract. Stall has one year, how many more years does Marleau have?