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Per wrote:Syria, Nicaragua and now possibly also the USA.

Question: what UN members are not supporting the Paris Agreement?

are you talking about the metric system?

Topper wrote:

Per wrote:Syria, Nicaragua and now possibly also the USA.

Question: what UN members are not supporting the Paris Agreement?

are you talking about the metric system?

No, that would be Burma, Liberia and the USA.

Pastel pink political poppycock...

Clicked your link and heard lyin' Tucker claim electricity is three times more expensive in Europe than in the USA.

I can't find what place in Europe he is talking about. The worst I can find is Italy, where it's twice as expensive as in the US, but at the same time electricity in Finland and Sweden is much cheaper than in the US.

I guess he counts on that no one will bother to fact check, so he can just make up his numbers as he goes along.

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/elec ... world.html

^ How did I know you'd respond to that particular comment?

Tucker is right about his main point in that this "agreement" is unfair for America.

He is also right in that even if all these nations keep up their end (they won't)

... this "agreement" cannot possibly achieve its stated (modest) goals.

Tucker is right about leftists "melting down" over something they don't understand.

(the "agreement" is feel-good politics in some quarters, nothing more)

(Tucker is right about leftists being driven by raw emotion, rather than facts)

Tucker is right in that Americans place the issue of climate change low on their list of priorities.

But yes I suppose Tucker... might... be wrong about comparative electricity prices in EU.

(who knows, he barely touched upon it and was rather vague there)

Strangelove wrote:Tucker is right about his main point in that this "agreement" is unfair for America.

From what I've seen, the unfair burden is under $10 per person in the US. If that's all it costs me to help a developing nation build new infrastructure for renewable energy, then I'm in.

Unfair to America... wtf does that even mean, anyways? C'mon Doc, you can troll better than this.

Cornuck wrote: Unfair to America... wtf does that even mean, anyways?

Tucker explains in the vid ^

(and how it will be much much more than $10 per person in the US)

Doc-Approved:

Strangelove wrote:^ How did I know you'd respond to that particular comment?

Because it was the one easiest to refute, and by doing so showing that Tucker was dishonest and arguing in bad faith?

Strangelove wrote:Tucker is right about his main point in that this "agreement" is unfair for America.

I disagree. In this agreement, the rich nations have agreed to help finance the efforts of poor nations to reduce co2 emissions. It's a total of 100 billion iirc that we're talking about, and the USA, which is definitely one of the richest countries by any given measure, should only pay 3 billion, so it's a very fair deal. It's a global problem, which needs global solutions, and it makes sense that rich countries more easily can raise the funds needed to do what needs to be done.

Strangelove wrote:He is also right in that even if all these nations keep up their end (they won't)
... this "agreement" cannot possibly achieve its stated (modest) goals.

True. The goals are set too low. In fact, of the only two countries that did not sign the agreement, Nicaragua gave this reason for not signing. They wanted a tougher agreement and found this one too watered out.
(Syria was probably more like "So you're worried that people might die 100 years from now? How cute. Now, we're in the middle of something. Cya.")

Strangelove wrote:(Tucker is right about leftists being driven by raw emotion, rather than facts)

Sadly, this holds true for most of mankind. Just look at Trump. Tons of raw emotion. Hardly any facts. Spock would be disgusted.

Strangelove wrote:Tucker is right in that Americans place the issue of climate change low on their list of priorities.

Well, I don't know exactly how high it is on their list of priorities, but a vast majority of Americans, more than 70%, and a majority in every single US state (albeit slim in some) are in favour of the Paris agreement and think the US should abide by it.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... -agreement

Good news! Coal is dying fast.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/t ... story.html

Though the federal government is doubling down on coal, electric power companies are embracing less-polluting natural gas, wind and solar power as the cost of generating electricity from those sources falls.
March’s milestone “says that the Trump Administration is living in the last century,” Firestone said.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... lar-power/

Albeit, frankly, imho coal is more 19th than 20th century.

Per wrote:Good news! Coal is dying fast.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/t ... story.html

Though the federal government is doubling down on coal, electric power companies are embracing less-polluting natural gas, wind and solar power as the cost of generating electricity from those sources falls.
March’s milestone “says that the Trump Administration is living in the last century,” Firestone said.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... lar-power/

Albeit, frankly, imho coal is more 19th than 20th century.

Talk to em Per!

In the last 100 years the world changed vastly, it's not hard to see the world vastly again thanks to renewable energy.

The next phase of mother earth is correlating how the governments and companies can use renewable energy/infrastructure to make money to supply the energy to the Tesla's and electric cars of the new world to preserve this earth that obviously is getting destroyed.

Cigarettes kill humans thanks to toxic's (that's facts), so it isn't rocket science to how fossil fuels are killing the earth's atmosphere and as a consequence kill our only planet.

Well, they can't kill the planet. I mean, it was way warmer back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, but this is the warmest it has been since modern man evolved some 200,000 years ago, and it's getting warmer.

Could get nasty in some places(check the news from Portugal), but closer to the poles should be OK. And with solar energy we can power all the AC we want to make conditions bearable closer to the equator as well.

Technology will save us.

Today, the last day of Spring, some commercial airplanes cannot take off in the southwest due to extreme heat which apparently leaves not enough air for thrust. Palm Springs is supposed to be 124 and the rest of the SW also well above 110. Maybe start looking for dinosaurs?

Fossil fuels cars are about to become obsolete.

Volvo will become the first major car manufacturer to go all electric, with the Swedish company saying that every new car in its range will have an electric power train available from 2019.

The company said the announcement marks “the historic end” of cars solely powered by petrol or diesel and “places electrification at the core of its future business”.

...

Premium car manufacturer Volvo ... will launch five fully electric cars across its range between 2019 and 2021.

...

The rest of the company’s range will be available with “plug-in hybrid” power trains and 48-volt "mild hybrid" systems, which give an extra "kick" to the acceleration of normally powered cars as well as operating as a sole power system.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -electric/