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Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:12 pm
by UWSaint
The flip side of what the Canucks are getting is what the Oilers are losing. Don't the Oilers need sandpaper and secondary scoring?
More generally, the Oilers salary increases to Draisitl and Bouchard and McDavid (if they can keep him) is going to eat up all of the relative cost savings of an increasing cap and then some. The Oilers have always had the depth question, and while they stretched their space by getting great value from Hyman and RNH, those players declined last year and they are aging and soon their production will match their deals (no windfall). The Oilers should be relevant as long as they have 97 and the German, but they may very well leaning into the Toronto problem.
What's my point? The pipeline is dry and we've reached Peak Oil. I'm not saying they won't win a Cup, but the Cap situation is making it hard to hold serve, the age of the team is projects internal decline, and given their paucity of picks and prospects, they are quite limited as to how they patch and refresh.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:05 pm
by Hockey Widow
UWSaint wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 12:12 pm
The flip side of what the Canucks are getting is what the Oilers are losing. Don't the Oilers need sandpaper and secondary scoring?
More generally, the Oilers salary increases to Draisitl and Bouchard and McDavid (if they can keep him) is going to eat up all of the relative cost savings of an increasing cap and then some. The Oilers have always had the depth question, and while they stretched their space by getting great value from Hyman and RNH, those players declined last year and they are aging and soon their production will match their deals (no windfall). The Oilers should be relevant as long as they have 97 and the German, but they may very well leaning into the Toronto problem.
What's my point? The pipeline is dry and we've reached Peak Oil. I'm not saying they won't win a Cup, but the Cap situation is making it hard to hold serve, the age of the team is projects internal decline, and given their paucity of picks and prospects, they are quite limited as to how they patch and refresh.
If they get a cap penalty attached to next year for the Kane situation it gets even worse. I would love to see them hit with a 5.1 cap penalty.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:12 pm
by Cousin Strawberry
Listening to how the coiler fan base and media have reacted I'd say it's a net positive gain for our team. They're unhappy to lose Kane which is usually a good sign for the acquiring team. Its a low risk move that brings some much needed pushback to a thin and wimpy Canucks forward group
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:29 pm
by Tciso
Hockey Widow wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:05 pm
If they (oilers) get a cap penalty attached to next year for the Kane situation it gets even worse. I would love to see them hit with a 5.1 cap penalty.
?? how wold they get a cap hit next year for Kane? He;s all ours now. Or is there a Canucks-like fuckery for the oilers for circumventing the cap in the playoffs (totally legal at the moment, probably fixed tomorrow)
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:44 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
I don't know what she's on about
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:49 pm
by Hockey Widow
The league is investigating the Oilers for cap circumvention in how the managed the Kane LTIR. If the league determines they lied about him needing to stay on LTIR before the playoffs started there could be penalties. One such penalty could be reducing their cap equal to the salary for the upcoming year. Of course they could just be fined.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:45 pm
by theman
Ricky D is saying:
Sounds like the Connor Garland extension in Vancouver could be 6 years and 36 million dollars.
I can live with that even though I think it is a year or two long.
https://x.com/dhaliwalsports/status/193 ... 43536?s=61
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:00 pm
by Chef Boi RD
Gnarland has been a greet find. Excellent news! So what’s left to spend? My calculations say $5-$6 million around there? How much a raise does Demko get?
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:05 pm
by Madcombinepilot
I like the Kane trade. It’s a low risk move, that was cheap. Kane scores 20 a year like clockwork. If Foot can beat him into line on systems, it will be ok.
He adds ‘asshole’ that we lack.
All his teammates said he is awesome on and off the ice, so it sounds like he has outgrown his issues.
If he doesn’t work out, flip him in December. Someone will want him for playoffs.
Wasn’t there an entire regiment of media and posters who wanted us to give up the world for him a few years ago? Funny how the media turns on every move the management makes.
Now, management needs patience before the frenzy… there is a bunch of teams already over the cap that will be making more ‘Kane style’ moves. A couple of wins there, and with production rebounds from EP40, Hogs, Joshua and Demko, this team will be just fine.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:07 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:00 pm
Gnarland has been a greet find. Excellent news!
At a great cost.
I don't mind giving him Air Thief money (at least he gives a fuck). It was hilarious to see how many posters dug in that Air Thief was an elite defensive player/pk guy and poster ESQ was adamant he was a legit top 6 guy. So was Sutter too
. Well known Lois was last on the ice and first off for practice.
Garland is the consummate pro. He is a play driver and never cheats on his effort. Re-unite the Green Berets. Dakota, Teddy and Connor. Great line. I'd prefer 4 or 5 years but he's earned 6 million per.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:10 pm
by theman
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:00 pm
Gnarland has been a greet find. Excellent news! So what’s left to spend? My calculations say $5-$6 million around there? How much a raise does Demko get?
His new deal would take affect next season. Currently they have 39 million in cap space with 13 players signed. Assuming 6 mil for Garland, they would be at 33 million in cap space with 14 players signed. 1 catch is the Canucks only have 1 goalie on that roster.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:24 pm
by Lancer
I always figured Garland would end up being the most valuable piece out of that trade. Tons of heart and character.
6x$6 is nothing to complain about. The guy has earned it, and prospects are good that he'll continue to be value for that money at least for the next 4 years.
Looking forward to more Garly.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:30 pm
by dangler
Lancer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:24 pm
I always figured Garland would end up being the most valuable piece out of that trade. Tons of heart and character.
6x$6 is nothing to complain about. The guy has earned it, and prospects are good that he'll continue to be value for that money at least for the next 4 years.
Looking forward to more Garly.
Suter has similar stats and can play Center.
Does that mean he can expect similar $$ ?
Garland:19G, 31A, 50pts, 29yrs. old
Suter: 25G, 21A, 46pts, 29yrs old
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:02 pm
by Blob Mckenzie
dangler wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:30 pm
Lancer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:24 pm
I always figured Garland would end up being the most valuable piece out of that trade. Tons of heart and character.
6x$6 is nothing to complain about. The guy has earned it, and prospects are good that he'll continue to be value for that money at least for the next 4 years.
Looking forward to more Garly.
Suter has similar stats and can play Center.
Does that mean he can expect similar $$ ?
Garland:19G, 31A, 50pts, 29yrs. old
Suter: 25G, 21A, 46pts, 29yrs old
Garland has averaged 50 points a year for four years here and drives play and plays with pace. Pretty easy to see who's the more effective player. Suter is as slow as Boeser and he isn't a good centre.
Re: 2025 Canucks Off-season
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:35 pm
by Meds
Blob Mckenzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:07 pm
Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:00 pm
Gnarland has been a greet find. Excellent news!
At a great cost.
I don't mind giving him Air Thief money (at least he gives a fuck). It was hilarious to see how many posters dug in that Air Thief was an elite defensive player/pk guy and poster ESQ was adamant he was a legit top 6 guy. So was Sutter too
. Well known Lois was last on the ice and first off for practice.
Garland is the consummate pro. He is a play driver and never cheats on his effort. Re-unite the Green Berets. Dakota, Teddy and Connor. Great line. I'd prefer 4 or 5 years but he's earned 6 million per.
Eriksson was a legit top-6, 200 foot, winger.....until his first game in a Canuck uniform.
