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The President Elect is in bed with the Russkies! The worse kept secret on the planet. What a fucking commie bastard.

"Disgraceful" - Mike Babcock

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:24 pm Tough day for the MAGA crowd.

Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort faces up to 80 years in prison after being convicted of money laundering and fraud.

Longtime Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen pleads guilty to campaign finance violations, tax evasion and fraud, "in coordination with, and at the direction of" Trump himself. He also faces years in prison.

Cohen's lawyer wrote:[Cohen] testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election.

The "disgraceful witch hunt" is racking up quite the body-count: 5 guilty pleas, 32 individuals indicted, and 187 charges, now implicating the President in criminal activity.

It’s been called a “witch hunt” because Manafort’s association with Trump is the only reason he’s under the microscope.

If Manafort had not briefly worked on Trump’s campaign (5 months) they wouldn’t have come after him.

Hopefully you are aware that the charges against Manafort have nothing to do with Trump or his campaign.

Manafort’s alleged wrongdoing occurred around a decade earlier than the 5 months he spent on Trump’s campaign.

And of course no one can blame the Trump campaign for not knowing about Mr Manafort’s alleged past misdeeds.

(after all the FBI, IRS, CIA, liberal media, etc didn’t know)

Like I say, the Get Trump folks have put every Trump associate under the microscope… and found some pre-Trump alleged crimes.

And THAT my friend is why it’s been labelled a “witch hunt” by some…

As far as statements by Cohen, well allegedly he just pleaded guilty to “making false statements” so…

(it's in your link)

Earlier Cohen said Trump did not do anything wrong, now he says he was lying when he said that.

Or is he lying now, I’m confused.

This guy is on the hot seat, it’s human nature for a person in that position to say “But but but that guy over there…”

There are a whole lot of personal charges being thrown around in regards to Cohen

... but the one that could be construed as throwing some dirt on Trump is the reason he's part of "the witch hunt".

Anyway, who's to say that alleged payments to women were “for the principal purpose of influencing an election”??

IF alleged payments were made at the direction of Trump, who’s to say it wasn’t for “the principal purpose” of his wife not finding out?

Doesn't matter, candidates often do these Non-Disclosure Agreements, perfectly legal as long as it’s paid for with personal funds.

“The President is now implicated in criminal activity”

Your liberal media masters are taking you on yet another wild goose chase, making a monkey out of you yet again…

RoyalDude wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:34 pm The President Elect is in bed with the Russkies!

Yeahno, that was the last nothingburger!

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:24 pm Tough day for the MAGA crowd.

Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort faces up to 80 years in prison after being convicted of money laundering and fraud.

Longtime Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen pleads guilty to campaign finance violations, tax evasion and fraud, "in coordination with, and at the direction of" Trump himself. He also faces years in prison.

Cohen's lawyer wrote:[Cohen] testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election.

The "disgraceful witch hunt" is racking up quite the body-count: 5 guilty pleas, 32 individuals indicted, and 187 charges, now implicating the President in criminal activity.

Rambling response lifter from the Hannity/Fox News [FAKE NEWS] echo chamber. PATHETIC. SAD.

Surely you are aware that Robert Mueller III has a federal mandate to investigate “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation” into Russian meddling? Surely you also know that Manafort faces another trial in the coming weeks. Rumours have it that Mueller has an even stronger case to present there.

lol this is better drama than anything on Netflix. Easily the worst day of Donald Trumps presidency. And there have been a lot of bad days...

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm If Manafort had not briefly worked on Trump’s campaign (5 months) they wouldn’t have come after him.

Sadly, this could well be true. Most of his criminal activities took place overseas, and the US has seldom bothered prosecuting people for meddling in elections outside of the USA.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pmHopefully you are aware that the charges against Manafort have nothing to do with Trump or his campaign.

Uhm... this remains to be seen. Manafort has been busy undermining democracy all around the globe, and at least sometimes doing this on Putin's behalf. If there was collussion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, it's a fairly safe bet that Manafort, as Trump's campaign manager, was one of the key players. After all, he has been working for the Kremlin for the past decade or so.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pmManafort’s alleged wrongdoing occurred around a decade earlier than the 5 months he spent on Trump’s campaign.

Prosecutors said Manafort collected $65 million in foreign bank accounts from 2010 to 2014 and spent more than $15 million on luxury purchases in the same period, including high-end clothing, real estate, landscaping and other big-ticket items.
Track the latest developments in the trials of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
They also alleged that Manafort lied to banks in order to take out more than $20 million in loans after his Ukrainian political work dried up in 2015, and they accused him of hiding the foreign bank accounts from federal authorities. Manafort received loans from the Federal Savings Bank after one of its executives sought a position in the Trump campaign and administration, according to prosecutors.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/21/poli ... index.html

Time really does fly! Is it 2025 already?

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm And of course no one can blame the Trump campaign for not knowing about Mr Manafort’s alleged past misdeeds.

Seriously? I'm pretty sure Vlad must have mentioned Paul's Ukrainian work in his letter of recommendation.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm (after all the FBI, IRS, CIA, liberal media, etc didn’t know)

Oh yes they did. Well, Not sure about the IRS or the FBI, but the CIA sure as hell must have known, or they should all be fired for incompetence.
He has been working for a long line of dictators, and at least in the Ukraine he was working against the interests of the USA, supporting the Kremlin candidate rather than the one preferred by the USA and the EU. And I'm pretty sure at least a handful of CIA empoyees were as busy as Manafort meddling in Ukraine politics, except, of course, for the other side. If they weren't extremly aware of who he was or what he did, they were sleeping on the job.

And there has been mention of him in articles about the Ukraine long before he joined the Trump campaign.
Here are a couple from 2014:

In one of his few newspaper interviews after starting his work in Ukraine, Manafort said that in his work there he wanted to “play a constructive role in developing a democracy.” To do so, he helped a corrupt thug take power, thereby steering a nation into a crisis that not only hurts its citizens, but threatens to destabilize the world. Manafort’s actions in Ukraine suggest that where ever he is and whatever he is doing now, he is making lots of money, justifying his work in lofty phrases, and showing no concern for its consequences.

https://www.eclecticatbest.com/2014/03/ ... elect.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/ ... ine-104263
You probably just weren't paying attention.

OK, so first Trump then now Huckasands keep insisting "the president hasn't done anything wrong."

I mean.... seriously?

He cheated on his wife with at least two women and lied about it.
He also paid those women hush money and then lied about it.

And he and Huckasands claim he didn't do anything wrong.

I mean, it's possible he didn't do anything illegal, but he sure as hell did something wrong.

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm “The President is now implicated in criminal activity”

Your liberal media masters are taking you on yet another wild goose chase, making a monkey out of you yet again…

Surely you are aware that Robert Mueller III has a federal mandate to investigate “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation” into Russian meddling?

Yes and surely you are aware that after all this time Robert Mueller III has absolutely nothing.

Surely you are aware that Robert Mueller III is getting desperate for something to keep the investigation going.

Surely you are aware that Robert Mueller III specifically had Cohen include the phrase "at a candidate's direction" in that plea deal

... in exchange for commuting Cohen's jail time from 65 years to 3 years.

Surely you are aware that that you are caught up in a lib fantasy and nothing more...

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 am lol this is better drama than anything on Netflix.

I'm glad you have escaped to your little world of fantasy while meanwhile DONALD J TRUMP RULES THE PLANET.

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:10 am Easily the worst day of Donald Trumps presidency.

Well obviously you missed the Donald prancing about in Charleston (live) last night, reality television...

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:51 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm If Manafort had not briefly worked on Trump’s campaign (5 months) they wouldn’t have come after him.

Sadly, this could well be true. Most of his criminal activities took place overseas, and the US has seldom bothered prosecuting people for meddling in elections outside of the USA.

It's worse than that, the American government has been "meddling in elections outside of the USA" for decades...

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:51 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pmHopefully you are aware that the charges against Manafort have nothing to do with Trump or his campaign.

Uhm... this remains to be seen.

Uhm... wrong.

Please fantasize about imaginary future charges on your own time, I deal in reality.

The charges against Manafort have nothing to do with Trump or his campaign.

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:51 am Time really does fly! Is it 2025 already?

I should have added the word "started".

But regardless, Manafort's alleged crimes occurred long before those 5 months he spent on Trump's campaign.

(the point)

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:51 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm And of course no one can blame the Trump campaign for not knowing about Mr Manafort’s alleged past misdeeds.

Seriously? I'm pretty sure Vlad must have mentioned Paul's Ukrainian work in his letter of recommendation.

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:51 am

Strangelove wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:49 pm (after all the FBI, IRS, CIA, liberal media, etc didn’t know)

Oh yes they did. Well, Not sure about the IRS or the FBI, but the CIA sure as hell must have known, or they should all be fired for incompetence.
He has been working for a long line of dictators, and at least in the Ukraine he was working against the interests of the USA, supporting the Kremlin candidate rather than the one preferred by the USA and the EU. And I'm pretty sure at least a handful of CIA empoyees were as busy as Manafort meddling in Ukraine politics, except, of course, for the other side. If they weren't extremly aware of who he was or what he did, they were sleeping on the job.

And there has been mention of him in articles about the Ukraine long before he joined the Trump campaign.
Here are a couple from 2014:

In one of his few newspaper interviews after starting his work in Ukraine, Manafort said that in his work there he wanted to “play a constructive role in developing a democracy.” To do so, he helped a corrupt thug take power, thereby steering a nation into a crisis that not only hurts its citizens, but threatens to destabilize the world. Manafort’s actions in Ukraine suggest that where ever he is and whatever he is doing now, he is making lots of money, justifying his work in lofty phrases, and showing no concern for its consequences.

https://www.eclecticatbest.com/2014/03/ ... elect.html
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/ ... ine-104263
You probably just weren't paying attention.

Uhm... we were talking about his misdeeds as in these charges against him (income tax evasion).

As for your quoted opinion pieces, they are just that (I could dig up plenty of positive opinion pieces from the same time period).

The fact is none of the above (Trump campaign, FBI, IRS, CIA, liberal media, etc) had any idea of his income tax evasion in 2016.

(the point)

Per wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:08 pm OK, so first Trump then now Huckasands keep insisting "the president hasn't done anything wrong."

I mean.... seriously?

He cheated on his wife with at least two women and lied about it.
He also paid those women hush money and then lied about it.

And he and Huckasands claim he didn't do anything wrong.

I mean, it's possible he didn't do anything illegal, but he sure as hell did something wrong.

Uhm... how do you know "he cheated on his wife with at least two women and lied about it"??

NDAs are not admissions of guilt and NDAs are not "something wrong"...

LOL - Loosen up that red hat, there врач - I think you're just extending the world's worst liar a little too much credit.

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:01 pm Yes and surely you are aware that after all this time Robert Mueller III has absolutely nothing.

A lot of soaked Depends in the West Wing trash over absolutely nothing.

Love it!

Island Nucklehead wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:22 pm

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:01 pm Yes and surely you are aware that after all this time Robert Mueller III has absolutely nothing.

A lot of soaked Depends in the West Wing trash over absolutely nothing.

. It's all part of my lib er al fantasy

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:08 pm Uhm... how do you know "he cheated on his wife with at least two women and lied about it"??

NDAs are not admissions of guilt and NDAs are not "something wrong"...

Well... he did cheat on his two previous wives, which seems to establish a pattern, and he then paid two women (a porn star and a playboy model) between 130,000 and 150,000 each to not say that they had had sex with him during his current marriage.

Sure, in theory maybe he just paid them for no reason, even though he had not had sex with them, but Trump is not typically prone to bend over when it comes to taking people to court. If they did not have anything to back up their stories, I doubt he would pay.



And if it does turn out that he actually does pay USD 130-150,000 to people he has not had sex with for them to shut up about having had sex with him, I'd like to state that I have had sex with president Donald Trump.

Now who do I talk to to get my check?

Strangelove wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:01 pm
Yes and surely you are aware that after all this time Robert Mueller III has absolutely nothing.

With five people* having pleaded guilty or been convicted of wrong doing - so far - we can definitely concur that this is not a witch hunt.
These are real crooks having committed real crimes.

I'd say he is draining the swamp.


*George Papadopoulos, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort

Lone juror, a woman, was the hold out on 10 counts in Manafort case. There’s always one idiotic in the bunch