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[Nuckertuzzi]

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Im not worried about the playoffs this year either. I am more concerned about building a team that can truly compete next season nd the one after. I am more worried about being able to convince Hughes to finish his career here. If that is keeping both Pettersson and Demko, fine. But if it's trading them to get other pieces so be it.

We're not too far apart, agree mostly with everything you said. The only difference is I'm still not going there with Demko. One reason is I doubt we'll get much for him. For whatever reason good goalies aren't much value in trades. Nor does that really matter for me because the words Demko and trade do not belong in the same sentence. Only way I'll ever give it a thought is if he wants out. Then we're definitely looking at major surgery or a rebuild will be in the offing sooner than later because it won't take long for us to know what it looks like to have a mediocre team with average or slightly above goaltending. Will be ugly. Lankinen's been good. Let's see him do it with all the pressure in the world and no life preserver this time. Though I'm sure they'll get a 1B for him, but won't be the same in what you already have in Demmer.

I think you said it perfectly when you ran through our bloodline of great goaltending for the past 15 years. We've been so spoiled that I think this market has taken for granted the importance of the position. Very impressed with Lank, don't get me wrong, just scares the shit out of me to expect a relative unknown to keep the bloodline going.

[Nuckertuzzi]

If it reduces the cap hit, don’t mind them giving 8 years to Demko.
He might only play the first couple seasons (giving them their best chance to win a cup) and then go on a Carey Price style LTIR retirement for the rest of his contract, but the Canucks can use that LTIR cap space, so it won’t hurt the team. It’s up to management to insure the contract.

I like it. Rather take a chance on this scenario than see a healthy Demmer raise a Cup for somebody else while we flail in goal for the next decade.

[2Fingers]

From my understanding, not a capalogist, on day 1 of the regular season you have to be compliant with LTIR. So his cap hit will be used against the team.

Then as the season goes on he comes and goes and the team always needs to be compliant. Of course I want him back but not at $8.0M, too risky for a goalie.

I think some fans underestimate what his selling value is if the other team is willing to take the risk.

[Nuckertuzzi]

I think some fans underestimate what his selling value is if the other team is willing to take the risk.

Maybe so. But I stand by my assertion that his value here, with the health risks, is worth far more than what you'll get in return in a trade + cap savings. It's immeasurable, I think some fans underestimate that.

As for the health issues, what noboby's talking about is what if it goes the other way. What if he plays 60+ games next year and wins the Vezina, maybe Conn Smyth and Cup?? We thought it was OK to let Tanev walk for his health issues. Of all the bad decisions this franchise has made recently that's gotta be near the top. Don't think it's too much of a coincidence we only made the playoffs once since his departure. Since then he's exactly been what we need and were missing. Since then he's been pretty much completely healthy, drawing major raves from every team he's joined.

[Meds]

His value is immaterial if the top-6 center positions are not addressed. This team’s window should have been opening this year…..Miller and Pettersson combined to close it.

If there is a team willing to swap a 27(ish) year old top line center for a 30 year old top-5 capable goalie with durability issues, then I think you add the (reasonable) pieces to make that trade and go goalie shopping in free agency.

[Nuckertuzzi]

Agree with the necessity at centre but robbing Peter to pay Paul with Demmer is suicide. Another top 6 center is immaterial if you have shit goaltending. You're not replacing Demko with a UFA.

So how do they solve it? Don't know, maybe they can't. Let's face it, we're fucked no matter what we do. That's why the deadline was such a colossal fuckup I'm still struggling to get over. You had a chance to generate valuable assets to use in trades and you failed miserably. Typical.

[Chef Boi RD]

Agree with the necessity at centre but robbing Peter to pay Paul with Demmer is suicide. Another top 6 center is immaterial if you have shit goaltending. You're not replacing Demko with a UFA.

So how do they solve it? Don't know, maybe they can't. Let's face it, we're fucked no matter what we do. That's why the deadline was such a colossal fuckup I'm still struggling to get over. You had a chance to generate valuable assets to use in trades and you failed miserably. Typical.

I agree, tuze. This merry go around of destroying the depth in one area to fix another needs to stop. Let’s be honest here, who in their right minds trades centres Miller and Horvat without getting a “legitimate” top 2 centre back? Good luck in fixing that gaping hole in the short term. So now we are suggesting trading from our depth in goaltending to fix the centre “hole” in which will create a massive hole in goaltending. I’m finding all this to be quite comical, really.

The Canucks are not deep enough to deal with just “adequate” goaltending. The three pillars of a “have” team are a - no. 1 centre, no. 1 D-man, no. 1 goalie. Next on that list, “i.e.,” - the 4th pillar is a no. 2 centre followed by the 5th pillar - a no. 2 defenceman.

It’s a Royal mess at centre in the top 2 spots (Petey ain’t out of the woods yet). You trade Demmer to try and fix that you create a mess in goal.

I did not like seeing Lankinen letting in those Eddie Lack style goals last night, a bad sign.

Patience is the only way out of the hole Allvin foolishly put himself in. Unfortunately patience doesn’t seem to be a Virtue with the Aqualini Group.

[Blob Mckenzie]

It was just Allvin that fucked everything up? Couldn't have anything to do with the the two spoiled brats JT and Elias..... They HAD to make a move. Miller was only waiving for NYR. Try to keep up.

[Chef Boi RD]

It was just Allvin that fucked everything up? Couldn't have anything to do with the the two spoiled brats JT and Elias..... They HAD to make a move. Miller was only waiving for NYR. Try to keep up.

I agree, they played a major role in it. I go back to the decision to chose Miller over Horvat, as where it all went wrong. Even I was on board with the ousting of the low VO2Max Bo. How wrong was I? You could’ve got a pretty smokin’ good return on JT back then. Would’ve, should’ve. Could’ve. I do however find it peculiar with what Brad Richardson chimed in with awhile back regarding the Miller/Petey fiasco. It gave a timeline on the fued in which it wasn’t new, had been festering for awhile. Even Boudreau said the same thing which backs up - this was nothing new. This is where I blame management. Management is there to get ahead of the problem, to recognize a problem or should I say - a potentially growing problem. This is where Allvin and Rutherford fucked up and I think they know this.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Oh I agree management played a large role. I thought it was adorable how a half dozen posters refused to put any blame on Miller though. Just bashing the fuck out of "the baldies" and "Scooter Boy"... About as retarded as calling Castonguay and Granato "samich makers"

[Chef Boi RD]

Oh I agree management played a large role. I thought it was adorable how a half dozen posters refused to put any blame on Miller though. Just bashing the fuck out of "the baldies" and "Scooter Boy"... About as retarded as calling Castonguay and Granato "samich makers"

Equal blame on both sides but Miller and Petey definitely are the shit stain in it all. Which is why I think they will continue to investigate Petey trade options. I’m for getting rid of the “entire “ problem, which includes Pettersson. Having him here still is representative of the experience of it all still lingers. Rip the bandaid off.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Oh I agree management played a large role. I thought it was adorable how a half dozen posters refused to put any blame on Miller though. Just bashing the fuck out of "the baldies" and "Scooter Boy"... About as retarded as calling Castonguay and Granato "samich makers"

Equal blame on both sides but Miller and Petey definitely are the shit stain in it all. Which is why I think they will continue to investigate Petey trade options. I’m for getting rid of the “entire “ problem, which includes Pettersson. Having him here still is representative of the experience of it all still lingers. Rip the bandaid off.

I don't disagree entirely with this. It would have to be the right deal though. I'm not super concerned about the state of the franchise though. There is a lot of depth in the organization and they will have ample cap space. Guys like Karlsson and Raty look like players, not to mention Lekkerimäki.

[Chef Boi RD]

They still need to address the top two centre position, need more legit top two line wingers. We are solid in bottom players whom I park Raty and Karlsson in this category. Lekkerimaki has a ways to go until he’s ordained a top 2 line player if he ever will be. There is zilch, nada in top 2 line centres and wingers in the pipeline but a plethora of tweeners and bottom 6 potentials. I see St. Louis just signed Snuggerud adding to their plethora of top 6 level and potential forwards. That is where we need to get to. A long ways to go

[Meds]

Agree with the necessity at centre but robbing Peter to pay Paul with Demmer is suicide. Another top 6 center is immaterial if you have shit goaltending. You're not replacing Demko with a UFA.

I agree, tuze. This merry go around of destroying the depth in one area to fix another needs to stop. Let’s be honest here, who in their right minds trades centres Miller and Horvat without getting a “legitimate” top 2 centre back? Good luck in fixing that gaping hole in the short term. So now we are suggesting trading from our depth in goaltending to fix the centre “hole” in which will create a massive hole in goaltending. I’m finding all this to be quite comical, really.

The Canucks are not deep enough to deal with just “adequate” goaltending. The three pillars of a “have” team are a - no. 1 centre, no. 1 D-man, no. 1 goalie. Next on that list, “i.e.,” - the 4th pillar is a no. 2 centre followed by the 5th pillar - a no. 2 defenceman.

It’s a Royal mess at centre in the top 2 spots (Petey ain’t out of the woods yet). You trade Demmer to try and fix that you create a mess in goal.

I did not like seeing Lankinen letting in those Eddie Lack style goals last night, a bad sign.

Patience is the only way out of the hole Allvin foolishly put himself in. Unfortunately patience doesn’t seem to be a Virtue with the Aqualini Group.

When Horvat was traded the need was for a top pairing RHD and the Canucks had JT, Bo, and Pettersson. All centermen, with the latter anointed by too many as being a franchise level Swedish Gretzky…..there were a few of us who already had pointed out his warts and felt he was better suited to the wing playing Robin to someone else’s Batman.

Either way, Allvin made that trade from what he perceived as a position of depth and built a 1C-1D-1G-2C-2D core.

As you say, patience is key, but regardless of ownership’s view here, the team still needs a 1C. If we patiently wait to acquire that horse from the draft then Demko won’t even be a factor when that player is hitting his prime years. His contract ask will also be a huge consideration here.

For these type of hockey trades you usually see teams making an exchange where they give up strength for strength, ideally it is because they have an in-house replacement for who is on the way out. In Demko’s case, we don’t. However, this does drive his internal value to us up, and it also means an acquiring team who really wants him pays a heavier price.

I would sooner trade Pettersson in a center for center swap and see Demko re-signing here for reasonable cash and term because when he is healthy he is HoF good.

[2Fingers]

The key is when he is healthy.

With his injury history I see that as huge risk to the franchise to sign him long term and hope he doesn’t get injured again. I don’t believe coaches know how to manage his work load and just are concerned about wins.

Goalies knees and hips don’t usually get better with age and his contract will be an albatross to the team in 3-4 years. Again IMO.