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Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:21 am
by Richardstroker69
Madcombinepilot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:54 pm
Saw on twitter that Boeser popped a Hattie in first game of Da Beauty League today.
Indicates good things regarding his back injury.
And wrist, legitimate nhl snipes
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm
by BladesofSteel
Out: Sedin, Sedin, Vanek, Jokinen, Dowd
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
Tire fire of offence? Time will tell.
Infusion of speed? Absolutely no doubt
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm
by BladesofSteel
*DP
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:58 pm
by SKYO
All this Quinn Hughes talk I think is good for Juolevi - he's assumed to be starting in the AHL already, but now that he is out of the micro Vancouver spotlight, maybe he steals the preseason show, the darkhorse Finlandian.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:20 am
by Cousin Strawberry
-bumping change purses sure lowers the flagpole though
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 am
by Cherry Picker
BladesofSteel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
One of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:32 am
by BladesofSteel
Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 am
BladesofSteel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
One of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
Goldobin > Jokinen
The point is there are younger, faster, more hungry kids coming in to training camp this year that should provide a more balanced attack. If it not for his work ethic, I would have given up on Goldy already. His skills are undeniable, his attitude (while cocky) is good and he's got Igor for an agent/mentor which are all good signs.
But if you'd rather...
Dahlen < Jokinen
My argument still stands.
Side note: Don't ever confuse my opinions of being in any way influenced by Botchford again.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:37 am
by DonCherry4PM
Cherry Picker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:35 am
BladesofSteel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:22 pm
In: Petersson, Gaudette, Goldobin, Hughes
One of these things is not like the others: elite, elite, crap, elite.
Just because Botchford sings Goldobin’s praises at every opportunity doesn’t mean he is no longer a bubble player at best. The guy is carried by Virtanen in garbage games at the end of last season and puts up a few points and now he is being grouped with Pettersson, Gaudette and Hughes?
If Botchford were GM the top line would be Goldobin, Gagner, and Leipsic. The guy is either an idiot or hopefully for his sake playing the devil’s advocate. He has an excellent eye for defensively weak, semi-skilled players who can only play on a team’s top six and will always disappear in crunch time. I think the man fantasizes about bringing back those sub-500 Tanti/Shriko line-ups of yesteryear. After a stint in Utica, Dahlen and Lind are replacing those mediocre players, likely by Christmas. Goldobin and Gagner are not long for this team. Leipsic might win a 13th forward job if he is lucky. There is a better chance Goldobin will be in the KHL after this coming season than he’ll be on the Canucks. Gagner should be gone before the season starts, but if not, he’ll be traded by the deadline. He had his chance to get his buddy Tavares to sign in Vancouver and he blew it, so his days of place-holding are numbered.
You may be right, but I really thought Goldobin’s play improved markedly at the end of the season. That isn’t to say he is “elite” but it may be a sign that his stars are changing (in the right direction). Maybe it’s just typical over-valuation but I’m definitely not ready to give up on him just yet.
Also, while I’m fully behind Gaudette, so far his play in the big league hasn’t exactly been a revelation. For sure give the kid time but calling kids elite before they have established anything in the NHL usually makes me a bit nervous (that goes for Elias and Quin too). Brock I’m pretty comfortable with.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:01 am
by 2Fingers
I hope Gaudette becomes a great player but he is not elite yet.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:54 am
by Cherry Picker
To clear up confusion, he’s an elite prospect, not elite NHL player, at least not yet. I think winning the Hobey Baker award makes him that. I think ultimately he’ll be a good second line NHL centre. Still, defensively he is already more valuable than Goldobin or Gagner. With Goldobin and Gagner there are more goals scored on both ends of the ice. But you likely give up three goals to get one. With Gaudette there may be less scoring, but at least the team breaks even.
Sorry for the comparison to Botchford, just any support for Goldobin reminds me so much of his recent diatribes that make me just cringe. Give up on Goldobin, his time on the Canucks is coming to an inglorious end no matter who his agent is.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:28 am
by Cornuck
I've lowered my expectations on Goldobin, but I'm not quite to ready to drive him to the airport.
One stat has me retain my interest. We all love Boeser's shot of course, and I've 'felt' that Goldobin wasn't on the same level - but with a 16% shot percentage (vs Brock's 16.2) - but what I can't find is a state for 'shots at net', vs 'shots on net', and maybe that's where Brock shines? Maybe that's what I'm seeing, Goldobin just missing the net a lot more often?
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:34 am
by Mickey107
And then there's Gaudette's 4 posts at the end of last year that say Hi.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:18 am
by Cherry Picker
Cornuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:28 am
I've lowered my expectations on Goldobin, but I'm not quite to ready to drive him to the airport.
That’s okay. I can take him. I’ll even save a seat for Gagner.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:09 pm
by ESQ
I put Goldobin, Dahlen and Leipsic all on the same level of potential offensive wingers.
Dahlen being the youngest still holds the most upside imo. But if one of the 3 turns into a bona fide top-6 winger (40+ points), that's still a very good return for Furrows, Hansen and Holm. If 2 of the 3 turn out, then I'd call it an excellent return.
Re: Canucks Young Guns
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:50 pm
by Topper
Gold was turning things around later in the season and I was impressed with the way he finished, Dahlen is unknown, Lipstick is a pig.