Canucks News N Notes 24-25

[Argay Ham]

Have patients watching $11.6M/yr go down the drain

The Elias Pettersson Mental Health and Productivity Wing at BC Children's Hospital...brought to you by White Spot.

[Topper]

Across the mezzanine from the wing the Twins donation built because Scooter doesn't have anything to do with them.

[Meds]

But when you trade peaked assets for players or picks (especially for picks) it’s the start of regression. Demko has a niggling injury that simply needs time, and Petey is playing through something as well. A full off season of training will do both wonders. Selling those assets now (low) is the start of a rebuild. This fan base needs patience, but just absolutely feeds (and wallows in) on its own negativity.

Have you paid attention to Demko's career? He has had a long history of lower body injuries, most of them minor but requiring significant recoup and rehab time. When you look at his college stats, there is no reason why he should not have gone in the 1st round. It's rare that even the best of goaltending prospects gets selected in the top-10, bu certainly in the bottom-10 of the opening round they can start to move when they look as good as he did. I'd venture that teams stayed somewhat clear of him because of his injury history even in college.

I love Demko as a goaltender, he's top-5 in the league.....but only when healthy and up to speed. The same can be said of any great goaltender. But a goaltender who plays 10 games and then misses 5, and then comes back to play 7 and miss 8.....he never gets his head into the right space that goaltenders need to be in. You also can't commit top dollars to the position when you can be fairly certain that he will miss at least 40% of the season.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Sounds like D Noah Juulsen's season is over, surgery this week on his hernia.

Tocchet must be devastated.

Him and Topper both. Topper was pretty bullish on Juulsen

[Topper]

Scooter hasn't been on his knees since Miller was traded.

Swallow that.

[Argay Ham]

Scooter hasn't been on his knees since Miller was traded.

Swallow that.

[Hockey Widow]

Demko has been injury plagued from the start of his college career. Some of his injuries came on suddenly and have been described as mysterious. Such as concussions he got in practice or from innocuous collisions with teammates. He has been described as a bit of a hypochondriac. His recovery from a lot of his injuries has gone on longer than expected as his recovery and rehab has suffered set backs. He marches to his own tune.

So while I believe he has suffered more than his share of injuries I also believe he is high maintenance and has a reputation now of being unreliable. I also agree then when healthy he is an all world calibre, Vezina quality goaltender. The type of goalie, when healthy, that can steal games and take a team to the promised land. But having him as your number one means you will always need a 1A type as a backup. A 1A that will be signed to 4+ as insurance. Now Demko wants to re-sign at 5 million for 4-5 years then we could afford that scenario. But he will want in excess of 8-10 million one his next contract.

To this end I think next year he has a Vezina quality year and plays more than he doesn't. A contract year performance. The dilemma of course will be if you believe he has turned the corner or not. Every year, every coach seems mystified by his injuries and recovery timeline. I see no reason that this would change after his contract year.

So while I do love Demko, I am now wishing we sold high and kept Markstrom. I fear an anchor of contract next time around. Of course there are many rumours that he is no longer happy in Vancouver, true or not, who knows. He may have no desire to re-sign here. I would be for testing the market now to see if there is a very good offer at this time. If not I would be happy to start the season with him next year and pump dump. I have no illusions that at his best Lankinen can provide what Demko can at his best. He cannot. But perhaps a combo of Lankenin and Silovs will be good enough if we fix the offence.

Our goal must be that within the next two years we build a team that says to Hughes we have a window, a long window to compete. Please sign here........

[Ronning's Ghost]

Jesus you guys need to take a few uppers

and that's assuming that both Demko and Pettersson can overcome whatever has been holding them back and regain top form for a playoff run.

Demko has a niggling injury that simply needs time

What Mëds and HW said.

and Petey is playing through something as well. A full off season of training will do both wonders.

This, too, is an extremely optimistic interpretation.

Selling those assets now (low) is the start of a rebuild.

Actually, the assets I has in mind when I wrote that were the ones you had identified yourself in viewtopic.php?p=580826#p580826, plus maybe Boeser.

But when you trade peaked assets for players or picks (especially for picks) it’s the start of regression.

The way you have to fall back down to bounce higher on the trampoline. If there was ever a roster that needed a re-tool, it's this one. I think current management has actually made a pretty good start, but they need to finish the job.

[Meds]

I agree RG. It is a rare thing that the re-tool would require gutting your top-6 and moving out you 1 and 2 centermen. But this is a rare team.....things never make sense.

BUT!

We are where we are, and that is what needs to happen.

I think the best we can hope for is that Demko comes back very strong for the last 20 games and either drives his value through the roof to the point that we can trade him for a good return in the summer.....OR.....Demko comes back, as HW suggested, and has a career year next year in a contract season and we deal him mid-season to the east coast to a team needing a starter to put them over the top for a run.

In the scenario that we move out Brock, Petey, and Demko, then I would be more than OK with Vancouver taking a run at Tavares on a 3 year deal.....sorta like we did with Sundin. He's a leader, and Toronto taking the C from him was a shit move. He is now a 2C, but a reliable one. The rest of the incoming players need to be younger.

I did see a suggestion of a 3-way with Carolina and Buffalo.

To CAR: Tuch + Vancouver 2nd

To BUF: Pettersson

To VAN: Rantanen + Cozens

Might be worth it? I just don't know that Rantanen is worth his ask.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Tavares is washed. PP guy at this point. 7 x 3 .... no thanks. I watch a lot of leaves games because they shove it down our throats. He has been baked for 18 months. At 5 million on a middle six line PP guy... sure.

No.....no .... no

[Meds]

Tavares is washed. PP guy at this point. 7 x 3 .... no thanks. I watch a lot of leaves games because they shove it down our throats. He has been baked for 18 months. At 5 million on a middle six line PP guy... sure.

No.....no .... no

49 points in 51 games this year. 11 points on the PP. Hardly a specialist.

[Hockey Widow]

Apparently Canucks and Boeser agree on 8.2 per year but term is the sticking point. Canucks offered 5 years Boeser wants 7 years. Will they meet in the middle and say 6 years at 8 million. Canucks look to be trying hard to re-sign him before TDD.

[theman]

Apparently Canucks and Boeser agree on 8.2 per year but term is the sticking point. Canucks offered 5 years Boeser wants 7 years. Will they meet in the middle and say 6 years at 8 million. Canucks look to be trying hard to re-sign him before TDD.

No thanks, even with the cap going up.

[Madcombinepilot]

The team has been competitive all season. Boring as it may be, Tocchet has them positioned to make the playoffs despite all the bullshit two members of the core have put the team through.

Miller is gone.

Now is the time to remove the remaining tumour that is holding this club back from succeeding.

Yes.

[Madcombinepilot]

Lets all get behind two home playoff games!

Hip Hip Horay!

Suck sess

Could be worse. You could be a Toronto fan.

Jus sayn