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RoyalDude wrote:the climb back into playoff contention starts tonight, SKYO! Just 4 points amigo! The Canucks can still snag a good prospect drafting between 16th and 22nd.

Torts wanted a rebuild but the fans and local media were not ready.
Hell, the owners weren't ready and most assuredly, MG wasn't ready.
Kesler didn't want to go through it and I now believe the Sedins were just trying to prove him wrong.
What if, man, what if?

micky107 wrote:Torts wanted a rebuild but the fans and local media were not ready.
Hell, the owners weren't ready and most assuredly, MG wasn't ready.
Kesler didn't want to go through it and I now believe the Sedins were just trying to prove him wrong.
What if, man, what if?

the Sedin curse. They are old and done but we must continue to keep them happy. Interesting seeing how well Torts is doing with a rag tag crew of reclamation journeymen and young players after two years of tanking, or is just the dead cat bounce like we witnessed in Willies first season as the Canuck coach? That remains to be seen. But I do recall the Sedins irritated Torts greatly, "it's not 2011 anymore" the nutbar was right.

RoyalDude wrote: the Sedin curse. They are old and done but we must continue to keep them happy.

How happy could they be, as the veteran leaders of a team that sucks? Of course they must have massive self-belief, as star athletes, but they also seem like reflective intelligent humans in their interviews. They know what is what.

I therefore surmise that they would understand and accept a reduction in their prominence, which would be demonstrated by having Bo Horvat lead the first unit power play and his ice time adjusted to maximize offensive situations. Indeed the Sedins might be more effective as secondary threats, fresher because of fewer minutes and fewer matchups against the top defenders.

The game outcomes would likely be much the same. This is not a team that can attack in waves. But it would establish the new order.

I'm wondering why it hasn't happened already. This coaching staff is not above elevating youngsters where their play demands it. Look at Stecher and Tryamkin, green as grass but playing good minutes.

Kenji wrote:
I therefore surmise that they would understand and accept a reduction in their prominence, which would be demonstrated by having Bo Horvat lead the first unit power play and his ice time adjusted to maximize offensive situations. Indeed the Sedins might be more effective as secondary threats, fresher because of fewer minutes and fewer matchups against the top defenders.

Why would the other team deploy their best defenders against anyone but the Sedins?

Why would the Sedins be happy with inferior players taking their minutes?

Keep calm...... Canuck on

I don't know if this is the right thread to mention this but at this point, I don't think it matters.
Pretty obvious, things are gloomy. A coaching change will help, but:

I'm going to say something controversial that is just never, ever said by anyone, anywhere.
We have the Sedins for the rest of this year and all of next.

Split them up! At least 5 on 5.
They can most definitely play together on the PP as the other team is a man down leaving 3 pairs of other legs to get back if need be.
It's only one third through the season and they are having a hard time getting back to defend and once they do, they get trapped on and can't get off.
This will only get worse moving forward.
To say they do not have the hockey skills to play apart, would be a tremendous insult to them.
Maybe I'm the only one that would try this but I think it could lead to the kind of mentoring everyone talks about.
They may not like it at first, but may actually find it rewarding as time goes by.
If it were to work out, even to a reasonable degree, it could open up some doors.
Try and think about it a bit.

RoyalDude wrote:Im trading Hutton, long before I'm trading Tanev. I'm just not sold on Hutton, it's concerning to see his play digress this season. He is either resting on his laurels of last season "I'm too good to try now" or he just isn't as good as we had originally thought. Either way if there is a D-man I'm trading it's him, but his stock may be falling this season.

Seriously man! After all these years in the wilderness of no PP QB we need as many kicks at the can as possible to get that offensive D. He's only 23 yo and 2nd year in the league ... give this prospect some time to mature. Sure, he doesn't seem to have that competitive fire that Stecher has, but I think Stech needs to be that way because of his size so he can stand out from the crowd. Otherwise he's just another Yannick Weber.

5thhorseman wrote:

RoyalDude wrote:Im trading Hutton, long before I'm trading Tanev. I'm just not sold on Hutton, it's concerning to see his play digress this season. He is either resting on his laurels of last season "I'm too good to try now" or he just isn't as good as we had originally thought. Either way if there is a D-man I'm trading it's him, but his stock may be falling this season.

Seriously man! After all these years in the wilderness of no PP QB we need as many kicks at the can as possible to get that offensive D. He's only 23 yo and 2nd year in the league ... give this prospect some time to mature. Sure, he doesn't seem to have that competitive fire that Stecher has, but I think Stech needs to be that way because of his size so he can stand out from the crowd. Otherwise he's just another Yannick Weber.

He was a Gillis pick, so he's trash. Dere's dat narrative again.

micky107 wrote:I don't know if this is the right thread to mention this but at this point, I don't think it matters.

I'm going to say something controversial that is just never, ever said by anyone, anywhere.
We have the Sedins for the rest of this year and all of next.

Split them up! At least 5 on 5.

https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=c ... 7.2639j0j7

So why on God's good green earth are we not thinking about it now?
It's never made more sense.

Blob Mckenzie wrote:

5thhorseman wrote:

RoyalDude wrote:Im trading Hutton, long before I'm trading Tanev. I'm just not sold on Hutton, it's concerning to see his play digress this season. He is either resting on his laurels of last season "I'm too good to try now" or he just isn't as good as we had originally thought. Either way if there is a D-man I'm trading it's him, but his stock may be falling this season.

Seriously man! After all these years in the wilderness of no PP QB we need as many kicks at the can as possible to get that offensive D. He's only 23 yo and 2nd year in the league ... give this prospect some time to mature. Sure, he doesn't seem to have that competitive fire that Stecher has, but I think Stech needs to be that way because of his size so he can stand out from the crowd. Otherwise he's just another Yannick Weber.

He was a Gillis pick, so he's trash. Dere's dat narrative again.

Keith Ballard is an excellent player, AV is a shitty coach.

micky107 wrote:So why on God's good green earth are we not thinking about it now?
It's never made more sense.

This has been talked about since they entered the league. In fact Hank had his best year when Dank was injured. I agree that to create balance it's worth a shot. They simply are not dominating shifts as much as they used to and I get so tired of them passing back and forth all the time. I'd sAy go for it.

As Trump said, whdda ya got to lose?

Love the Sedins they still have something in the tank but they are really second line players. Not ready for top pairings or responsibilities at this point of their career. They are actually hurting Sutter at this point...

Kenji wrote:

RoyalDude wrote: the Sedin curse. They are old and done but we must continue to keep them happy.

How happy could they be, as the veteran leaders of a team that sucks? Of course they must have massive self-belief, as star athletes, but they also seem like reflective intelligent humans in their interviews. They know what is what.

I therefore surmise that they would understand and accept a reduction in their prominence, which would be demonstrated by having Bo Horvat lead the first unit power play and his ice time adjusted to maximize offensive situations. Indeed the Sedins might be more effective as secondary threats, fresher because of fewer minutes and fewer matchups against the top defenders.

The game outcomes would likely be much the same. This is not a team that can attack in waves. But it would establish the new order.

I'm wondering why it hasn't happened already. This coaching staff is not above elevating youngsters where their play demands it. Look at Stecher and Tryamkin, green as grass but playing good minutes.

The team lacks leadership in a big way right now. Sedins are supposed to lead, but they can't produce offensively like the past and they can't back it up with big hits, shutdown play or the odd fight, when they don't produce or leave their own freaking zone their level of leadership or influence on the team fades... and right now Horvat is the guy you think can lead. Funny thing about H. is that I hear he is not a the type of guy that hangs with the boys at all... he trains hard and is extremely disciplined but not great at the social thing. He loses a few points for that. Still he could be our future C.

Now Troy with a bundle of energy could wear a "A" one day if he can maintain.