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Per wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:27 am

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.

You are saying that tennis players are fragile because they mainly practice off ice?

Of course, Björn Borg was an excellent skater, and probably would have made the WJC roster had he not decided to focus on tennis, but I had no idea ice practice was considered that important for tennis players in general.

Per wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:27 am

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.

You are saying that tennis players are fragile because they mainly practice off ice?

Of course, Björn Borg was an excellent skater, and probably would have made the WJC roster had he not decided to focus on tennis, but I had no idea ice practice was considered that important for tennis players in general.

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am No-Way. Don't believe it.
It's all about money and how to extract it from players by making them think they need expensive off-ice programs.

It's just like "energy drinks" are good for athletes.
May as well drink poison!

It's the money they bring. It's freaking huge.

Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.

Carlyee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:49 pm
I try not to post here...

Carlyee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:49 pm
For the sake of not getting my post deleted....

Carlyee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:49 pm I try not to post here but I feel I must try and offer you a little insight to training. This is not an all encompassing post but cherry picked to try and assist you. Because it is pretty clear you don't really understand what's going on.

Take a look at this:

https://www.ptdirect.com/training-desig ... n-overview

There are plenty of sources you can reference to learn about the 3 energy systems that humans use. With respect to your line of reasoning, while it varies slightly from source to source the consensus appears to be that tennis players actually derive more of their total energy from the ATP PCr energy pathway than hockey players do. Ignore body contact and consider this as well, tennis is a higher impact sport than hockey. So tennis athletes use the best energy system more and put more strain on their body than a hockey player does. Tennis was a poor comparison to choose.

Your posts appear to indicate that you have not performed at a high physical level. This is an assumption on my part. Try not to get defensive, I have not in a very long time either. But one coach I had said something like this "who told you practice makes perfect?, He was an idiot, perfect practice makes perfect". Practicing, and perfecting skills can only happen once the basics are covered. In other words dry land or off ice training builds the foundation for on ice training. Strength, endurance, speed, flexibility, agility and discipline can all be improved with off ice training. Once these factors are locked in on-ice training, or specialized training is used for skill set improvements, systems practice etc. Boil this down to the lowest denominator, who has more fun playing adult rec league hockey? The guy that works out 6 days a week or the guy that plays hockey once a week? Who is more useful to his team?

Ice time is more expensive than gym time too. So I really can't understand what you are throwing cost into the argument for.

Here is some more reading, in no particular order.

https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/3-ener ... rainer.htm

http://www.itftennis.com/scienceandmedi ... rview.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3281210

For the sake of not getting my post deleted I would like to add that. Pettersson, in his early 20s can easily add muscle without sacrificing the other factors that make him the most exciting prospect to me in a long time. It will take longer and one has to be cognizant of not bulking for the sake of bulking. Fine line.

Carlyee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:49 pm

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:01 am No-Way. Don't believe it.
It's all about money and how to extract it from players by making them think they need expensive off-ice programs.

It's just like "energy drinks" are good for athletes.
May as well drink poison!

It's the money they bring. It's freaking huge.

Look at how fragile modern day tennis players are.
It's a joke.

I try not to post here but I feel I must try and offer you a little insight to training. This is not an all encompassing post but cherry picked to try and assist you. Because it is pretty clear you don't really understand what's going on.

Take a look at this:

https://www.ptdirect.com/training-desig ... n-overview

There are plenty of sources you can reference to learn about the 3 energy systems that humans use. With respect to your line of reasoning, while it varies slightly from source to source the consensus appears to be that tennis players actually derive more of their total energy from the ATP PCr energy pathway than hockey players do. Ignore body contact and consider this as well, tennis is a higher impact sport than hockey. So tennis athletes use the best energy system more and put more strain on their body than a hockey player does. Tennis was a poor comparison to choose.

Your posts appear to indicate that you have not performed at a high physical level. This is an assumption on my part. Try not to get defensive, I have not in a very long time either. But one coach I had said something like this "who told you practice makes perfect?, He was an idiot, perfect practice makes perfect". Practicing, and perfecting skills can only happen once the basics are covered. In other words dry land or off ice training builds the foundation for on ice training. Strength, endurance, speed, flexibility, agility and discipline can all be improved with off ice training. Once these factors are locked in on-ice training, or specialized training is used for skill set improvements, systems practice etc. Boil this down to the lowest denominator, who has more fun playing adult rec league hockey? The guy that works out 6 days a week or the guy that plays hockey once a week? Who is more useful to his team?

Ice time is more expensive than gym time too. So I really can't understand what you are throwing cost into the argument for.

Here is some more reading, in no particular order.

https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/3-ener ... rainer.htm

http://www.itftennis.com/scienceandmedi ... rview.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3281210

For the sake of not getting my post deleted I would like to add that. Pettersson, in his early 20s can easily add muscle without sacrificing the other factors that make him the most exciting prospect to me in a long time. It will take longer and one has to be cognizant of not bulking for the sake of bulking. Fine line.

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:40 pm Micks post

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:40 pm Micky's Post

Carlyee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:49 pm I try not to post here...

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:40 pm You would be best served not to try and assume. You will hurt whats' left of your brain.
I will leave for a while but let me make one thing very clear.
Don't ever think you are even remotely capable of judging me, shit for brains, or whatever you are.

micky107 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:40 pm You would be best served not to try and assume. You will hurt whats' left of your brain.
I will leave for a while but let me make one thing very clear.
Don't ever think you are even remotely capable of judging me, shit for brains, or whatever you are.