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Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 4:20 pm
by Per
Agreed. Great speech!
And what he said about smaller nations needing to negotiate as a group in order to not be taken advantage of; that’s basically one of the main reasons for the EU. If a country like Sweden had to negotiate a trade deal on our own, we would get screwed. But when we negotiate as part of the EU, we have leverage. Which is of course why Russia (and now also the USA) would like to break it up.
And we gladly join forces with Canada.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 5:11 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Permit me to clarify. John McCain would not be on my top 10 list of most desirable potential U.S. presidents.
But he wouldn't be a military threat to NATO Allies and the existence of NATO generally, he wouldn't be in the midst of upending a global order that brought peace and prosperity to Canada since WWII, he wouldn't be undermining the ability of the United States to compete with China in science, technology, and industry, he wouldn't be rolling over for Putin in Ukraine, and he wouldn't be a threat to democracy and the rule of law in Canada's oh-so-large-and-powerful neighbour. Trump (and who knows with weather-vane Vance ?), Johnson, Miller, Lutnick, Kennedy, Noem, et al are. For me, it would be worth eating a [live, or what's the point ?] grenade to end those threats.
donlever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 3:22 pm
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Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 5:37 am
by Topper
Carney has gone silent since his speech. Not summary news release from the PMO post Davos as there usually is after a foreign trip.
He has a scheduled statement for today before heading into a caucus retreat. We'll hear what he has to say, but unless he follows the Davos speech with action, it is all moot.
There were plenty of hollow statements on domestic action in his Davos speech, inter Provincial trade is still closed, military spending is still only a talking point....
Is this the Chameleon Carney we saw on the campaign trail saying one thing in one place and contradicting himself at the other end of the country?
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
by Tciso
Carney said a lot of words, and he spoke eloquently. But, he was very light on content. Trump Bad. China Good. Canada needs to protect its independence.
On the last point Carney left out a massive problem for Canada. We are one small shipping crisis away from Eastern Canada having basically no oil or gas. If we don't have energy independence, we don't have much at all. If Carney believed the words he said, i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:19 pm
by Meds
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
What the difference between BC and the EC? The one heading east will have to go a helluvalot farther.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:23 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:19 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
What the difference between BC and the EC? The one heading east will have to go a helluvalot farther.
The waters the tanker would have to navigate when the dilbit got there.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:24 pm
by Meds
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:19 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
What the difference between BC and the EC? The one heading east will have to go a helluvalot farther.
The waters the tanker would have to navigate when the dilbit got there.
Which NW port are we talking about?
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:31 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:24 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:19 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
What the difference between BC and the EC? The one heading east will have to go a helluvalot farther.
The waters the tanker would have to navigate when the dilbit got there.
Which NW port are we talking about?
Since there is no concrete, specific proposal yet, I don't know. Kitimat and Prince Rupert are usually mentioned.
I wanted to edit my original post to add that I thought that access to new markets not yet served by Canadian petroleum products increased -- from my perspective anyway -- the return part of risk return calculation on a pipeline going east. But you're too fast for me.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:41 pm
by Topper
Sadly Carney gutted the capital of his Davos speech with a rambling gutless spew of Trudeau gobbley goop.
What a waste.
Alberta Government is in the planning process for a pipeline with submittal to the Special projects office by summer. Their idea is to start and bring industry partners on board. The reverse of what occurred with TMX expansion. Getting Canadian oil to Asia is key to freeing us from the reduced price we get with only a single market.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 4:23 pm
by Meds
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:31 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:24 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:23 pm
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 2:19 pm
Ronning's Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 12:39 pm
Tciso wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 8:54 am
...i expect talks to restart on Energy East.
As intensely as I oppose a pipeline to the north B.C. coast, I am very much in favour of a pipeline as far east as technologically/economically/politically practical.
One point on which I agree with Albertans is that, transition trajectories aside, as long as fossil fuels are burned in Canada, they should be Canadian fossil fuels.
What the difference between BC and the EC? The one heading east will have to go a helluvalot farther.
The waters the tanker would have to navigate when the dilbit got there.
Which NW port are we talking about?
Since there is no concrete, specific proposal yet, I don't know. Kitimat and Prince Rupert are usually mentioned.
I wanted to edit my original post to add that I thought that access to new markets not yet served by Canadian petroleum products increased -- from my perspective anyway -- the return part of risk return calculation on a pipeline going east. But you're too fast for me.
Kitimat can handle the traffic. Just more complicated navigation and limited to smaller tankers.
I do not believe Rupert would not be an issue.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2026 5:22 pm
by Ronning's Ghost
Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jan 22, 2026 4:23 pm
Kitimat can handle the traffic. Just more complicated navigation and limited to smaller tankers.
I do not believe Rupert would not be an issue.
This board already has a thread for that topic. The positions I stated there have not changed.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 8:10 am
by Meds
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:02 am
by JelloPuddingPop
Hard to be right, when you don't say anything of substance.
Re: Just Not ready
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:12 am
by Tciso
JelloPuddingPop wrote: ↑Fri Jan 23, 2026 11:02 am
Hard to be wrong, when you don't say anything of substance.
I get the impression that Carney really doesn't want a deal with Trump. Good deal or bad deal. I think Carney believes the chaos and animosity to Trump is a good thing politically. He wants a majority, and he believes the path runs through focusing our nation on the USA, and riding a wave of hatred, deserved, or not.