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Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:02 am What the Rangers were trying to unload on us. Filip Chytil’s injury history:

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/filip-chy ... r-injuries

Hot glass garbage. Really, the Rangers have little to offer that wouldn't be seen as a massive overpayment in the eyes of some media. Drury's reputed offers have been laughable. May as well load up on their picks than take on dead weight like Chytil or Lindgren. Carolina and Dallas can offer better returns. Let the Rags fade with that bunch a-la 2012 Canucks.

Now, if we're talking Lafreniere or Schneider that may change the calculus. Maybe Drury gets desperate for Miller after a bidding war emerges?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:45 am Tocchet has lost the room, no if ands or buts. They’ve tuned him out. He’s completely destroyed Hoglanders confidence, ship him to Florida for pucks so we can watch him turn into as good as ex-Canuck Forsling turned out to be.

The Canuck Way.

Ricky has essentially coached out all creativity any of the players had. But hey they are all in great shape!

We should have seen this coming when the Knoblauch completely out coached him in the second round. He figured out our infantile offense and the rest of the NHL copy/pasted the strategy.

Watching the Canucks in the offensive zone makes me rage. No one is where they need to be. They are where Ricky thinks they should be which is never where the puck goes.

The fact he keeps playing Desharnais is proof positive he doesn't actually know what he is doing.

306NucksFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:17 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:45 am Tocchet has lost the room, no if ands or buts. They’ve tuned him out. He’s completely destroyed Hoglanders confidence, ship him to Florida for pucks so we can watch him turn into as good as ex-Canuck Forsling turned out to be.

The Canuck Way.

Ricky has essentially coached out all creativity any of the players had. But hey they are all in great shape!

We should have seen this coming when the Knoblauch completely out coached him in the second round. He figured out our infantile offense and the rest of the NHL copy/pasted the strategy.

Watching the Canucks in the offensive zone makes me rage. No one is where they need to be. They are where Ricky thinks they should be which is never where the puck goes.

I said that during the series that Tocchet was out coached by him. Guess the players saw it too.

Lancer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:02 am What the Rangers were trying to unload on us. Filip Chytil’s injury history:

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/filip-chy ... r-injuries

Hot glass garbage. Really, the Rangers have little to offer that wouldn't be seen as a massive overpayment in the eyes of some media. Drury's reputed offers have been laughable. May as well load up on their picks than take on dead weight like Chytil or Lindgren. Carolina and Dallas can offer better returns. Let the Rags fade with that bunch a-la 2012 Canucks.

Now, if we're talking Lafreniere or Schneider that may change the calculus. Maybe Drury gets desperate for Miller after a bidding war emerges?

Unfortunately we are completely in a position of weakness at the trade table. Would you want to give upbmajor assets for Miller or that $11.6 million right now? Hell, no. What a hot mess. Might as well keep them.

306NucksFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:17 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:45 am Tocchet has lost the room, no if ands or buts. They’ve tuned him out. He’s completely destroyed Hoglanders confidence, ship him to Florida for pucks so we can watch him turn into as good as ex-Canuck Forsling turned out to be.

The Canuck Way.

Ricky has essentially coached out all creativity any of the players had. But hey they are all in great shape!

We should have seen this coming when the Knoblauch completely out coached him in the second round. He figured out our infantile offense and the rest of the NHL copy/pasted the strategy.

Watching the Canucks in the offensive zone makes me rage. No one is where they need to be. They are where Ricky thinks they should be which is never where the puck goes.

The fact he keeps playing Desharnais is proof positive he doesn't actually know what he is doing.

Tocchet has completely sucked the life out of players like Hoglander. Petey, I can’t figure out if it’s him or Tocchet’s coaching or a combination of.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:32 am

306NucksFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:17 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:45 am Tocchet has lost the room, no if ands or buts. They’ve tuned him out. He’s completely destroyed Hoglanders confidence, ship him to Florida for pucks so we can watch him turn into as good as ex-Canuck Forsling turned out to be.

The Canuck Way.

Ricky has essentially coached out all creativity any of the players had. But hey they are all in great shape!

We should have seen this coming when the Knoblauch completely out coached him in the second round. He figured out our infantile offense and the rest of the NHL copy/pasted the strategy.

Watching the Canucks in the offensive zone makes me rage. No one is where they need to be. They are where Ricky thinks they should be which is never where the puck goes.

The fact he keeps playing Desharnais is proof positive he doesn't actually know what he is doing.

Tocchet has completely sucked the life out of players like Hoglander. Petey, I can’t figure out if it’s him or Tocchet’s coaching or a combination of.

It is probably a combination of both. I am hesitant to trade him because I think he would excel in his new surroundings and right now the Canucks would not get good value back for him. Hell, I am not sure if they would even get equal value in players/picks back.

Apparently JTM has asked, indirectly, for a trade. I am coming to the conclusion that trading him, even at a loss might be better for the organization.

theman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:36 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:32 am

306NucksFan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:17 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:45 am Tocchet has lost the room, no if ands or buts. They’ve tuned him out. He’s completely destroyed Hoglanders confidence, ship him to Florida for pucks so we can watch him turn into as good as ex-Canuck Forsling turned out to be.

The Canuck Way.

Ricky has essentially coached out all creativity any of the players had. But hey they are all in great shape!

We should have seen this coming when the Knoblauch completely out coached him in the second round. He figured out our infantile offense and the rest of the NHL copy/pasted the strategy.

Watching the Canucks in the offensive zone makes me rage. No one is where they need to be. They are where Ricky thinks they should be which is never where the puck goes.

The fact he keeps playing Desharnais is proof positive he doesn't actually know what he is doing.

Tocchet has completely sucked the life out of players like Hoglander. Petey, I can’t figure out if it’s him or Tocchet’s coaching or a combination of.

It is probably a combination of both. I am hesitant to trade him because I think he would excel in his new surroundings and right now the Canucks would not get good value back for him. Hell, I am not sure if they would even get equal value in players/picks back.

Apparently JTM has asked, indirectly, for a trade. I am coming to the conclusion that trading him, even at a loss might be better for the organization.

I cannot recall another coach criticizing his players on an individual level as much as Ricky does. "Petey's got to move his feet more" I mean thanks tips. To me, it's the square peg into a round hole, one size fits all, amateur level coaching that is enemy number one. Ricky's system has worked for exactly half a season. In the playoffs I would argue the Canucks were most successful when they temporarily abandoned Ricky's system in times of desperation.

Less grouse grind and more pond hockey?

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 8:31 am

Lancer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:53 am

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:02 am What the Rangers were trying to unload on us. Filip Chytil’s injury history:

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/filip-chy ... r-injuries

Hot glass garbage. Really, the Rangers have little to offer that wouldn't be seen as a massive overpayment in the eyes of some media. Drury's reputed offers have been laughable. May as well load up on their picks than take on dead weight like Chytil or Lindgren. Carolina and Dallas can offer better returns. Let the Rags fade with that bunch a-la 2012 Canucks.

Now, if we're talking Lafreniere or Schneider that may change the calculus. Maybe Drury gets desperate for Miller after a bidding war emerges?

Unfortunately we are completely in a position of weakness at the trade table. Would you want to give upbmajor assets for Miller or that $11.6 million right now? Hell, no. What a hot mess. Might as well keep them.

Hindsight is what it is, but if Carolina really offered a package of Necas and Jarvis for Petey and whatever last summer before Petey signed his deal, who would say no? Miller as 1C, Jarvis as a burgeoning 2C with Necas on the wing. Would look a helluva lot better than what we've seen from the team this season.

Then again, Petey may look better than either of them next year or afterwards.

Roll the dice, I guess, but this year is not making last summer's signing look good at all.

The only way I see reason to trade Miller now is if it staves off a civil war in the dressing room. Otherwise, ride it out and deal in the offseason. Even with a decent return for Miller in trade, I don't think it would be enough to move the needle - much less 180 degrees. Ride this flaming hulk into the end-season wall and pick up the pieces worth keeping.

Tocchet and Boudreau are polar opposites in coaching styles. It’s interesting to experience both styles back to back with using what is essentially the same players, core wise at least. Are we any better under Tocchet? I think in this day and age you need a Fushion of both, I’d park Jon Cooper in that category.

The players are playing like they are afraid to do something Tocchet don’t like.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:37 am Tocchet and Boudreau or polar opposites in coaching style, its interesting to experience both styles back to back with using what is essentially the same players, core wise at least. Are we any better under Tocchet? I think in this day and age you need a Fushion of both, I’d park Jon Cooper in that category.

The players are playing like they are afraid to do something Tocchet don’t like.

He can't bench you if you make the safe plays in his system. How many times have we seen them either dump it in or, even when they gain the zone with possession, they just ring it around the boards back and forth endlessly without a single pass into the middle or across between the circles and the blueline - unless it's Quinn and whoever is on the blueline playing catch. It seems like whoever plays with Quinn just gives it to him every chance they get - whether it's a useful play or not. Tocchet bemoaned it, but I haven't seen any change since his comments in the media about it.

Tocchet criticizes his players for not 'playing on their toes', and they don't 'play on their toes' much, but they're playing like they have no confidence to do so. Even when they do, and gain some zone time, every so often it results in a goal for, like Petey's goal against BUF; sometimes it results in just feel-good reprieves from being hemmed in their zone for shifts on end; just as often it results in a missed/intercepted pass, flubbed puck or whatever which results in a rush chance against - usually ending with a goal against.

All the things they did well last year - handling the puck effectively in tight spaces under pressure either going into the neutral or offensive zones, making those plays between the offensive circles and the blueline - are absolutely absent. Either other teams cottoned-on to how Vancouver handles the puck, the players have lost confidence or they're 'quiet quitting' on the season: doing just what will keep them from getting benched/press-boxed, but that's it.

The team's body language, it's like they're marching to the Gulags on foot in January, where the commissar's 9mm awaits them. I haven't seen such dejection since the last round of lottery seasons.

Many things land on the feet of the players or management, but the above is on the coaching staff.

I can’t believe we gave Desharnais $2 million per, this year and next. The guy is truly a terrible defenceman.

The GMs best move right now would be to keep Miller and Petey until the off season and get a better deal if the team doesn’t make the playoff.

I’d assume the coach has lost the room and replace him right now with Malhotra from the Abby Canucks. Changing the coach is the easiest move. Manny knows the defencemen in Abby best. Then the GM should waive and send down all the depth Dmen and let Manny chose whichever defencemen he wants to see if he can turn this season around. Maybe he can, but even if he can’t, they can blow things up in the summer.

Doing nothing right now should not be an option.

Chef Boi RD wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:31 pm I can’t believe we gave Desharnais $2 million per, this year and next. The guy is truly a terrible defenceman.

While not a great signing, that contract is down there with the least of the problems with the Canucks right now.

If we’re making a coaching change there is only one guy I want them to hire.

Coach Q.

This team needs a firm, veteran, hand at the helm right now. They need accountability. They need to have confidence instilled in them to actually play the game. Quenneville coached some very good teams that had freedom within their system to be creative. But commitment to the cause was demanded.

Picker of Cherries wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:41 pm The GMs best move right now would be to keep Miller and Petey until the off season and get a better deal if the team doesn’t make the playoff.

I’d assume the coach has lost the room and replace him right now with Malhotra from the Abby Canucks. Changing the coach is the easiest move. Manny knows the defencemen in Abby best. Then the GM should waive and send down all the depth Dmen and let Manny chose whichever defencemen he wants to see if he can turn this season around. Maybe he can, but even if he can’t, they can blow things up in the summer.

Doing nothing right now should not be an option.

This is a tricky issue. Assuming the PA does nothing right now, as, apparently, the offers for both JTM and Petey, are low balls, can be dangerous too. Right now it feels like the team can go on a massive losing streak and end any hopes of the post season. Of course they could try canning the coach, as you said, maybe that's enough? Surely they would have considered that option, you would think.

It just feels like everyone tied to the Canucks, coaches, players, media, fans are all waiting for the proverbial, shoe to drop.