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Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:05 am
by 5thhorseman
What does it achieve besides marginalising people?

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:42 pm
by Meds
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:05 am What does it achieve besides marginalising people?
Truth and fact are more important than feelings.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:24 pm
by 5thhorseman
A true step in the right direction would be to remove gender from Nexus entirely. Nobody's checking genitalia at the border so what's the point?

Gender diversity has existed in many cultures across history but unfortunately religion tries to suppress this fact.

Even for physical gender there are people who are intersex (about 1.7% of the population) and don't fit neatly into the binary concept of gender. I believe the Algerian boxer Imane Khelif could have been one.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:01 pm
by Meds
5thhorseman wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:24 pm A true step in the right direction would be to remove gender from Nexus entirely. Nobody's checking genitalia at the border so what's the point?
I can't really argue with that. In the world of photo ID, the only real time that gender matters as far as government goes is when it comes to healthcare.
Gender diversity has existed in many cultures across history but unfortunately religion tries to suppress this fact.
Links to this information if you please?
Even for physical gender there are people who are intersex (about 1.7% of the population) and don't fit neatly into the binary concept of gender. I believe the Algerian boxer Imane Khelif could have been one.
Outside of the absence or either, or presence of both, reproductive organs, and chromosomal abnormality, even intersex are either male or female.....note I'm not defining "woman" here, simply the scientific definition. Also, I am using abnormal in the strictest scientific definition of the word.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 7:39 am
by 5thhorseman
Two-spirit people of indigenous North Americans

https://www.ihs.gov/lgbt/twospirit/

The Hijra of South Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

Maori, New Zealand: Whakawahine/Wakatane

https://guides.library.manoa.hawaii.edu ... alidentity

These are just a few examples. There's many others mainly among indigenous cultures. In the western world, non-binary genders have been suppressed due to the influence of Christianity. One can say the same about the Islamic world.

The point is that non-binary gender identities have existed and is not some new woke concept, though I do suspect in the Western world there's a bit of a bandwagon effect.

I'm not saying we should start using tons of pronouns or letting people use whatever bathroom they feel comfortable with. Those are separate issues and I don't necessarily have a good answer for them.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:20 am
by Chef Boi RD
“In the western world, non-binary genders have been suppressed due to the influence of Christianity. One can say the same about the Islamic world.”

Yup - pretty much everyone and anyone I encounter nowadays who are triggered by the non binary gender crowd are, typically, deeply religious. IMO, who the fuck cares how they roll, they ain’t hurting’ nobody except the bent out of shape followers of the invisible man in the sky.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 10:39 am
by Cousin Strawberry
Chef once confided the he was fooled by a convincing tranny this one time. Ever since he's been an advocate for their right to pop a wheelie when least expected

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2025 10:41 am
by Megaterio Llamas
:lol:

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:41 am
by Tciso
Air Canada is the gift that keeps on giving. Hadju ordered the flight attendants back, but they are refusing and going to court. If this drags out, I wonder what the Liberals next move will be? Declare a national emergency? When it's over, Air Canada will be looking for another bailout.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:03 am
by BCExpat
Tciso wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:41 am Air Canada is the gift that keeps on giving. Hadju ordered the flight attendants back, but they are refusing and going to court. If this drags out, I wonder what the Liberals next move will be? Declare a national emergency? When it's over, Air Canada will be looking for another bailout.
The Liberals will cease striking AC worker's bank accounts :roll:

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:14 am
by BCExpat
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:20 am “In the western world, non-binary genders have been suppressed due to the influence of Christianity. One can say the same about the Islamic world.”

Yup - pretty much everyone and anyone I encounter nowadays who are triggered by the non binary gender crowd are, typically, deeply religious. IMO, who the fuck cares how they roll, they ain’t hurting’ nobody except the bent out of shape followers of the invisible man in the sky.
I don't care about gender - have at it, whatever floats your boat. However, I have 3 things about gender issues that I completely disagree with:

1. No transgender men in female sports - it's completely unfair. Make another category for transgenders so they can complete with their peers. Women compete with other women, men compete with other men, so why not transgenders competing against other transgenders.

2. No gender changing therapy or treatment for kids under the age of 16. Kids under that age don't know what the fuck they want and shouldn't be able to make such a life changing decision. Hell, it's the same as driving under age or drinking under age - there is a reason for laws against such things, and the same should go for gender changing treatments. Don't even get me started on teachers encouraging kids to gender change and keeping it a secret from the parents - who the fuck do these teachers think they are.

3. No transgender persons that were born with a penis, should be allowed into women's washrooms or change rooms. I definitely wouldn't want my grand daughter changing in a room with a person with a penis between his (it's) legs.

Other than that - go on with life and be happy.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:25 pm
by 5thhorseman
BCExpat wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:14 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:20 am “In the western world, non-binary genders have been suppressed due to the influence of Christianity. One can say the same about the Islamic world.”

Yup - pretty much everyone and anyone I encounter nowadays who are triggered by the non binary gender crowd are, typically, deeply religious. IMO, who the fuck cares how they roll, they ain’t hurting’ nobody except the bent out of shape followers of the invisible man in the sky.
I don't care about gender - have at it, whatever floats your boat. However, I have 3 things about gender issues that I completely disagree with:

1. No transgender men in female sports - it's completely unfair. Make another category for transgenders so they can complete with their peers. Women compete with other women, men compete with other men, so why not transgenders competing against other transgenders.

2. No gender changing therapy or treatment for kids under the age of 16. Kids under that age don't know what the fuck they want and shouldn't be able to make such a life changing decision. Hell, it's the same as driving under age or drinking under age - there is a reason for laws against such things, and the same should go for gender changing treatments. Don't even get me started on teachers encouraging kids to gender change and keeping it a secret from the parents - who the fuck do these teachers think they are.

3. No transgender persons that were born with a penis, should be allowed into women's washrooms or change rooms. I definitely wouldn't want my grand daughter changing in a room with a person with a penis between his (it's) legs.

Other than that - go on with life and be happy.
I agree with you on 1 and 2 Expat (even would say 18), not so sure on on 3 though.

What's the worry, that's some pervert :twisted: will pretend to be a transgender and assault little girls in the washroom?

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:23 am
by BCExpat
5thhorseman wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:25 pm
BCExpat wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 11:14 am
Chef Boi RD wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:20 am “In the western world, non-binary genders have been suppressed due to the influence of Christianity. One can say the same about the Islamic world.”

Yup - pretty much everyone and anyone I encounter nowadays who are triggered by the non binary gender crowd are, typically, deeply religious. IMO, who the fuck cares how they roll, they ain’t hurting’ nobody except the bent out of shape followers of the invisible man in the sky.
I don't care about gender - have at it, whatever floats your boat. However, I have 3 things about gender issues that I completely disagree with:

1. No transgender men in female sports - it's completely unfair. Make another category for transgenders so they can complete with their peers. Women compete with other women, men compete with other men, so why not transgenders competing against other transgenders.

2. No gender changing therapy or treatment for kids under the age of 16. Kids under that age don't know what the fuck they want and shouldn't be able to make such a life changing decision. Hell, it's the same as driving under age or drinking under age - there is a reason for laws against such things, and the same should go for gender changing treatments. Don't even get me started on teachers encouraging kids to gender change and keeping it a secret from the parents - who the fuck do these teachers think they are.

3. No transgender persons that were born with a penis, should be allowed into women's washrooms or change rooms. I definitely wouldn't want my grand daughter changing in a room with a person with a penis between his (it's) legs.

Other than that - go on with life and be happy.
I agree with you on 1 and 2 Expat (even would say 18), not so sure on on 3 though.

What's the worry, that's some pervert :twisted: will pretend to be a transgender and assault little girls in the washroom?
That is exactly what I worry about, and not a pretend transgender either.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:47 am
by Per
Mëds wrote: Fri Aug 15, 2025 9:01 pm Outside of the absence or either, or presence of both, reproductive organs, and chromosomal abnormality, even intersex are either male or female.....note I'm not defining "woman" here, simply the scientific definition. Also, I am using abnormal in the strictest scientific definition of the word.
It is not always a black and white issue. Both the South African runner Caster Semenya and the Algerian boxer Imane Khelif have female genitalia, were assigned female gender at birth and have been raised as girls, but have heightened testosterone levels.

Despite them having been assigned female at birth some people still refuse to accept them as women.

And no, they aren't always either male or female biologically, but society likes to pressure them into adopting one of these two gender roles because we find it confusing to interact with people who do not fit either pattern. Even to the extent that intersex children often have been surgically mutilated to better look like one of the two sexes and then given hormones to develop the right attributes.

Re: Just Not ready

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 6:40 am
by 5thhorseman
BCExpat wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 12:23 am
5thhorseman wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 8:25 pm
What's the worry, that's some pervert :twisted: will pretend to be a transgender and assault little girls in the washroom?
That is exactly what I worry about, and not a pretend transgender either.
But does this actually happen in real life? Studies repeatedly show there is no increase in sexual assaults in places with trans--inclusive policies. This is why many women's advocacy group including anti-sexual assault and domestic violence organizations support trans-inclusive policies. Why don't we listen to them instead of our phantom fears?