Just Not ready

[Per]

Why are they attacking hospitals? Is it because Hamas is using them as bases of operation and munition depots?

They use various arguments. The attack on the European Hospital in Gaza the other day was supposedly because they believed some Hamas top shot was at the hospital at that particular time. To take out an entire hospital because of one patient is still pretty brutal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cd0lj4rnre9o

The three ambulances with fifteeen paramedics that were slaughtered was outright murder. They were bulldozed over in a shallow grave. When found the Israelis first claimed they had opened fire at suspicious vehicles approaching with no headlights on and no indication it was an aid organization. Then the footage from the cell phone that one of the killed paramedics had on him showed that this was a blatant lie. They had flashing blue and red lights on as well as headlights, and were shot at after stopping to assist people who had been previously shot by the Israelis. The particular paramedic with the cellphone was killed with a shot to his head. They were all unarmed first responders.

Why are 9000 supply trucks not permitted to enter despite having been CLEARED BY ISRAEL? So Israel is saying send the trucks but stopping the trucks? Which is it? Why?

They have been inspected and cleared by the Israeli authority set up for that purpose, but they are being denied entry by the Israeli army.
So they are just sitting at the border waiting for a go-ahead, while people are starving to death for political reasons.

Do you have no comment regarding the refugee corridors that Israel set up for Palestinians but those civilians were prevented from exiting by Hamas who made them stay in Gaza at gunpoint?

Not sure what you refer to. The corridors I've heard of is for people going from one part of Gaza to another. At present there is - afaik - no country accepting refugees from Gaza, so not sure how they would be able to leave Gaza.

I'm sure most of them would love a chance to get away from the mass slaughter of innocents performed to get rid of the few terrorists hiding among them.

[Meds]

The three ambulances with fifteeen paramedics that were slaughtered was outright murder. They were bulldozed over in a shallow grave. When found the Israelis first claimed they had opened fire at suspicious vehicles approaching with no headlights on and no indication it was an aid organization. Then the footage from the cell phone that one of the killed paramedics had on him showed that this was a blatant lie. They had flashing blue and red lights on as well as headlights, and were shot at after stopping to assist people who had been previously shot by the Israelis. The particular paramedic with the cellphone was killed with a shot to his head. They were all unarmed first responders.

3 Ambulances with 15 paramedics? So 5 per ambulance?

Unless their ambulances are the size of city bus there would then be absolutely no room to accommodate patients.

If I see any more than 3 paramedics getting out of a regular ambulance, I’m going to be asking questions.

For reference…..this is a standard North American Ambulance. It is staffed by 2 paramedics, sometimes a 3rd if there is a learner or new hire, or depending upon the service provider an extra staff member who had no partner that day due to sick call or something. Either way, there is functional room for 3 people in the back plus a single patient.



And this (below) is an ambulance from Palestine. This type of ambulance is the most commonly used style outside of North America. I trust you’ll notice the difference in size…..having been in both styles the size also reflects capacity.

[Cousin Strawberry]

Myth busted!



Quit hiding military assets in hospitals

[JelloPuddingPop]

Myth busted!



Quit hiding military assets in hospitals

Not a myth.

Isreal admitted fault already.

Not sure why Mëds is presenting capacity of ambulances. Not relevant at all. As usual.

[Per]

OK, so I was wrong about the number of vehicles:

The Red Cross movement has expressed outrage that eight Palestinian medics were killed along with six Civil Defence first responders and a UN staff member by Israeli forces in southern Gaza.

Five ambulances, a fire truck and a UN vehicle were struck "one by one" in the al-Hashashin area on 23 March, according to a UN official. The 15 bodies were recovered from a "mass grave" on Sunday, he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkxm1rg6k1o

"I am heartbroken. These dedicated ambulance workers were responding to wounded people. They were humanitarians," IFRC Secretary General Jagan Chapagain said.

"They wore emblems that should have protected them; their ambulances were clearly marked.

"Even in the most complex conflict zones, there are rules. These rules of International Humanitarian Law could not be clearer – civilians must be protected; humanitarians must be protected. Health services must be protected."

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said in a separate statement that it was "appalled" that the medics were killed while carrying out their work.

The head of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Gaza, Jonathan Whittall, said in a post on X on Sunday that its staff had supported the PRCS and Civil Defence in recovering the 15 bodies of the PRCS medics, Civil Defence first responders and UN staff member from "a mass grave... that was marked with the emergency light from one of their crushed ambulances".

In a video that was posted online on Monday, Mr Whittall said: "Seven days ago, Civil Defence and PRCS ambulances arrived at the scene. One by one they were hit, they were struck. Their bodies were gathered and buried in this mass grave. We're digging them out with uniforms, with their gloves on. They were here to save lives. Instead, they ended up in a mass grave."

"Their vehicles... are crushed and dumped, covered in sand next to us. It's an absolute horror what has happened here. This should never happen. Healthcare workers should never be a target."

Here's a frozen pic from the video that was shot by one of the murdered paramedics:



There are three visible ambulances (with flashing lights) in the shot, so I suppose he was in the fourth vehicle. The one that is closest looks quite big, actually. Almost like a bus. Guess it could be a vehicle that is meant to transport several wounded people. Either way, apparently there were seven vehicles, so basically two per vehicle, with one extra guy, possibly in the fire truck or the UN vehicle.

Happy?

Either way, already in the 19th century it was agreed that even during war you must not shoot at paramedics and ambulances.

Article 12 mandates that wounded and sick soldiers who are out of the battle should be humanely treated, and in particular should not be killed, injured, tortured, or subjected to biological experimentation. This article is the keystone of the treaty, and defines the principles from which most of the treaty is derived,[18] including the obligation to respect medical units and establishments (Chapter III), the personnel entrusted with the care of the wounded (Chapter IV), buildings and material (Chapter V), medical transports (Chapter VI), and the protective sign (Chapter VII).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Geneva_Convention

The protective sign of course refers to the Red Cross/Red Crescent/Red Star of David that should be visible on the ambulance or field hospital to announce that it is a care facility and protected under international law. Remember the aerial shots of MASH 4077?




And breaking those rules is still a war crime.

[Madcombinepilot]

Carney giving us more Trudeau.

Bulldozing through the usual checks on power.

He has given the green light to a $70+ billion spending spree without parliamentary approval, and declaring they have no plans to release a budget.

Good thing our eastern ass-clown Canadian brethren voted in Trudeau the 3rd.

So, Just curious.. that 70+ billion (and the other 40B).. does that count against the 67 Billion deficit that Freeland quit over before the election (when they promised to only have a 40B deficit).. or do we add the 67 billion deficit to the 250 billion in eleiction promises (of which we have now seen 110B) and have a deficit of 300+B

Asking for a friend...

[Madcombinepilot]

Pers Post

A few random thoughts on this...

So, 600 million Europeans look to 400 million Americans to protect them from 140 Million Russians..

Yet 2Billion Muslims cant protect themselves from 10 million Jews??

A couple points, War crimes only apply to soldiers, not terrorists like Hamas. Regarding civilian casualties, Hamas shouldn't have started this by shooting at civilians. Shooting and bombing civvies is all they have ever done. They Fucked around, now finding out. Hamas could end it tomorrow if they simply gave back the last of the hostages. So, while civilians continue to hide terrorists, they all get lumped together.

As to the (presumed) innocent civilians who want out, why do none of the other muslim countries surrounding Israel want them, or take them?

I would think that all the news out of there is bias, and on an agenda of some kind. I do not believe in Genocide (but its the normal and primal state of humans since we started walking upright). There are some interesting points that make me think that we do not understand all what's going on there, and applying our western (and dominantly peaceful) values to their cultures is pretty arrogant.

[Tciso]

RE: Hamas, palestine, Isreal etc.

This issue will only be solved by a 1 state solution. They either decide to live together, or they fight forvever. From my perspective, this is not about land. If it was about land, we would have had the discussion about "Who was here first", and "when is ownership recognized, and by whom", and "What defines a nation". Or, we would be blaming the League of Nations, and the United Nations for this whole fuck up, as they set it up.

But, from my perspective, since we won't talk about the historical facts that we know of (starting about 1500BC), or define terms like "from the river to the sea", the fighting will continue until one side convinces the other that fighting isn't worth it.

[Madcombinepilot]

RE: Hamas, palestine, Isreal etc.

This issue will only be solved by a 1 state solution. They either decide to live together, or they fight forvever. From my perspective, this is not about land. If it was about land, we would have had the discussion about "Who was here first", and "when is ownership recognized, and by whom", and "What defines a nation". Or, we would be blaming the League of Nations, and the United Nations for this whole fuck up, as they set it up.

But, from my perspective, since we won't talk about the historical facts that we know of (starting about 1500BC), or define terms like "from the river to the sea", the fighting will continue until one side convinces the other that fighting isn't worth it.

Most in the west do not understand unadulterated religious and racial hate. We apply our values to try and justify it against our beliefs and do not recognize their values and belief system as a starting point of reason. Nobody is right over there according to the way we see and value things.

[Meds]

RE: Hamas, palestine, Isreal etc.

This issue will only be solved by a 1 state solution. They either decide to live together, or they fight forvever. From my perspective, this is not about land. If it was about land, we would have had the discussion about "Who was here first", and "when is ownership recognized, and by whom", and "What defines a nation". Or, we would be blaming the League of Nations, and the United Nations for this whole fuck up, as they set it up.

But, from my perspective, since we won't talk about the historical facts that we know of (starting about 1500BC), or define terms like "from the river to the sea", the fighting will continue until one side convinces the other that fighting isn't worth it.

Most in the west do not understand unadulterated religious and racial hate. We apply our values to try and justify it against our beliefs and do not recognize their values and belief system as a starting point of reason. Nobody is right over there according to the way we see and value things.

That's a good reminder MCP.

That being said, the religious hate that is generated by the hardcore Islamic nations and groups had to be repelled by the church in Europe as they were invading to spread their religion under the mantra of "convert to Islam or die".....hence The Crusades.

It is a foreign thing to us to want to kill someone simply because they believe something different. However, it is not foreign to us to dislike, or even outright hate, a person who strongly holds to opposing political or social views. Particularly when those views require some pretty radical changes to one's current values and way of living, as well as having significant economical impact upon their personal finances.

Religion and politics man.....crazy shit.

[Madcombinepilot]

RE: Hamas, palestine, Isreal etc.

This issue will only be solved by a 1 state solution. They either decide to live together, or they fight forvever. From my perspective, this is not about land. If it was about land, we would have had the discussion about "Who was here first", and "when is ownership recognized, and by whom", and "What defines a nation". Or, we would be blaming the League of Nations, and the United Nations for this whole fuck up, as they set it up.

But, from my perspective, since we won't talk about the historical facts that we know of (starting about 1500BC), or define terms like "from the river to the sea", the fighting will continue until one side convinces the other that fighting isn't worth it.

Most in the west do not understand unadulterated religious and racial hate. We apply our values to try and justify it against our beliefs and do not recognize their values and belief system as a starting point of reason. Nobody is right over there according to the way we see and value things.

That's a good reminder MCP.

That being said, the religious hate that is generated by the hardcore Islamic nations and groups had to be repelled by the church in Europe as they were invading to spread their religion under the mantra of "convert to Islam or die".....hence The Crusades.

It is a foreign thing to us to want to kill someone simply because they believe something different. However, it is not foreign to us to dislike, or even outright hate, a person who strongly holds to opposing political or social views. Particularly when those views require some pretty radical changes to one's current values and way of living, as well as having significant economical impact upon their personal finances.

Religion and politics man.....crazy shit.

Yup. The divisional extreme wingers in politics of the west are getting right up there with the fanatics of religion.

[Per]

Pers Post

A few random thoughts on this...

So, 600 million Europeans look to 400 million Americans to protect them from 140 Million Russians..

Well, you have to remember that up till recently it was US policy to tell the Germans they weren't allowed to have a significant army as well as insist on allies allowing US military bases on their soil. The US did not want European countries to be able to fend for themselves. The reliance on US troops created a dependence that the US could use to its advantage, as it gave them leverage over European politics.

This changed, as Trump came to power. He doesn't understand diplomacy or international politics, so he sees these massive US investments in world dominance as pure cost, and has done his best to dismantle it; in the long term rendering the USA irrelevant.

Europe has understood this and is now scrambling to quickly increase military spending to make ourselves self-reliant, as we have realized we can no longer rely on the USA, who is openly siding with the imperialistic Russia and even threatening to annex parts of traditional allies (Greenland, Panama, Canada). In time we will have no problem staving off Russia, which is really basically a glorified gas station with nukes. Their GDP is roughly on par with Italy and lower than Canada's. But because we thought there was no threat to us, we have been taken by surprise. Kind of like back in the 1930's when most nations had disarmed after "the war to end all wars" and then were shocked to find out that Hiler and Stalin weren't buying into the live and let live concept. Thus we need a few years to rearm before we can be sure that Russia won't dare attack us.

Yet 2 billion Muslims cant protect themselves from 10 million Jews??

2 billion Muslims have nothing to do with it. Yes, initially, in 1948 and 1961 there were attempts to do a joint effort to drive the Israelis out, but these days most Muslim nations have peace treaties with Israel. The Saudis and Iranians hate each other more than they hate Israel.
So it's really about 5 million Palestinians, largely unarmed, who cannot defend themselves against 10 million Israelis, backed by the USA.

Also, not all Palestinians are Muslim. They used to be at least 20% Christians, but for some reason the Christians far more easily get asylum elsewhere, so now it's down to 3%, most of them living in Ramallah, Bethlehem and Jerusalem. But still. The main political party, Fatah, is secular and back when Arafat was their leader, he made a point of always attending xmas mass at the Nativity Church in Bethlehem. Sure, Hamas is an Islamistic organisation, and they are also widely recognised as a terrorist organisation. But they don't speak for the majority of Palestinians

A couple points, War crimes only apply to soldiers, not terrorists like Hamas. Regarding civilian casualties, Hamas shouldn't have started this by shooting at civilians. Shooting and bombing civvies is all they have ever done. They Fucked around, now finding out.

War crimes apply to everyone and three Hamas leaders have been put on the ICC wanted list, charged with war crimes relating to the October 7th massacre. Netanyahu and two other Israeli ministers are also on that wanted list, for crimes against humanity in Gaza.
Unfortunately it seems all three Hamas leaders on the list have been killed by Israel.

Hamas could end it tomorrow if they simply gave back the last of the hostages. So, while civilians continue to hide terrorists, they all get lumped together.

Hamas have offered to hand over all the hostages in exchange for a permanent cease fire, but the Netanyahu government has not accepted. That is one of the main reasons so many Israelis are demonstrating against the government; they want that the government should focus on getting the hostages back rather than on destroying Gaza. Albeit some are protesting the crimes against humanity as well.

Recent polling by Israel's Channel 12 found that 61% of Israelis want to end the war and see the hostages returned. Just 25% support expanding the fighting and occupying Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj422k1zzd9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSnkIenzB9Y&t=120s
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... ar-in-gaza

As to the (presumed) innocent civilians who want out, why do none of the other muslim countries surrounding Israel want them, or take them?

Why don't the USA accept all Mexicans and Guatemalans who feel threatened by lawlessness at home? Same question.
A lot of countries are very restrictive about accepting asylum seekers from foreign countries.

I would think that all the news out of there is bias, and on an agenda of some kind. I do not believe in Genocide (but its the normal and primal state of humans since we started walking upright). There are some interesting points that make me think that we do not understand all what's going on there, and applying our western (and dominantly peaceful) values to their cultures is pretty arrogant.

Palestinian and Israeli news sources cannot be trusted in these matters, but there are lots of others, which I why I mainly linked to international humanitarian organisations, to see if there were any of those that Mëds trusted.

[Madcombinepilot]

Per, I love you man, but that post is EXACTLY what I meant by applying our base values on others as a starting point of reason. (For politics or religion)

Every point you made, I agree with - when reason starts from our point of view.

I was saying how not all people on the planet have the same starting point.

[Blob Mckenzie]

Myth busted!



Quit hiding military assets in hospitals

Imagine 5 angry 6 ft 11 gorillas in one ambo.

That picture Per posted looked a lot like the 4077th.

[UWSaint]

Also, not all Palestinians are Muslim. They used to be at least 20% Christians, but for some reason the Christians far more easily get asylum elsewhere, so now it's down to 3%, most of them living in Ramallah, Bethlehem and Jerusalem. But still.

"For some reason the Christians far more easily get asylum?" Perhaps it is because the Christians who escaped are more likely to meet the criteria of asylum, one of which is fear of persecution for religious reasons?

The main political party, Fatah, is secular and back when Arafat was their leader, he made a point of always attending xmas mass at the Nativity Church in Bethlehem. Sure, Hamas is an Islamistic organisation, and they are also widely recognised as a terrorist organisation. But they don't speak for the majority of Palestinians

Arafat -- no history of terrorism there.

Are you saying Hamas doesn't speak for a majority of Palestinians? I mean, at a certain level, no government leadership speaks on behalf of every citizen. Democratically elected government's have more legitimacy, I suppose, to the claim they speak on behalf of their nations. Hamas has its position due in part to an election, in part due to cancelling elections.... Though who speaks on behalf of Ukrainians? (Zelenskyy, I think). Polls are no substitutes for elections, but to the extent they provide some insight as to the perspective of the Palestinians, they show much stronger support for Hamas than Fatah, especially since October 7.

My point is not that there isn't a diversity of views among the Palestinian people or that some of the Hamas support isn't because people fear consequence for nonsupport (even if its loss of graft....), but I also don't think that we should be naive about the fact it is not a "fringe" Palestinian opinion to support October 7, Hamas, and ridding the region of jews and the State of Israel.