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Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 am

But you know, fixate on the graphs and bar charts that tell the narrative you want to believe.....just like Per does.

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 am

rats19 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:30 pm Florida reporting is inaccurate many locations reporting 100% infected when it’s actually under 6% so they are working on getting that corrected

Yeah, and if someone was tested on a Monday and tested positive, and then retested the following week and still positive, it counted as two positive cases rather than a continuation of the first case.

The recovery rate in Florida is apparently 99.85%.

But you know, fixate on the graphs and bar charts that tell the narrative you want to believe.....just like Per does.

I was reading that the inaccuracy is with the positivity rate, i.e. the % of positive tests out of total tests. Strangely, it was opposite to what Mëds is saying in that negative tests were counted twice. Also, some labs were reporting only the positive tests and not the negative ones (the 100% infected rate that Rats mentioned).

Anyways, even if you scale back the bars on Per's chart by 1/3, it still shows the spread accelerating. What else can you expect from a state that fired a health official for not massaging the data.

The NIH has a promising vaccine. LINK

All told, it took just 66 days from the time the genome sequence was made available in January to the start of the first-in-human study described in the new peer-reviewed paper.

The volunteers will be tracked for a full year, allowing researchers to monitor their health and antibody production. However, the recently published paper provides interim data on the phase 1 trial’s first 45 participants, ages 18 to 55, for the first 57 days after their second vaccination. The data revealed:

• No volunteers suffered serious adverse events.

• Optimal dose to elicit high levels of neutralizing antibody activity, while also protecting patient safety, appears to be 100 micrograms. Doses administered in the phase 1 trial were either 25, 100, or 250 micrograms.

• More than half of the volunteers reported fatigue, headache, chills, muscle aches, or pain at the injection site. Those symptoms were most common after the second vaccination and in volunteers who received the highest vaccine dose. That dose will not be used in larger trials.

• Two doses of 100 micrograms of the vaccine prompted a robust immune response, which was last measured 43 days after the second dose. These responses were actually above the average levels seen in blood samples from people who had recovered from COVID-19.

These encouraging results are being used to inform the next rounds of human testing of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. A phase 2 clinical trial is already well on its way to recruiting 600 healthy adults.This study will continue to profile the vaccine’s safety, as well as its ability to trigger an immune response.

Meanwhile, later this month, a phase 3 clinical trial will begin enrolling 30,000 volunteers, with particular focus on recruitment in regions and populations that have been particularly hard hit by the virus.

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 am

rats19 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:30 pm Florida reporting is inaccurate many locations reporting 100% infected when it’s actually under 6% so they are working on getting that corrected

Yeah, and if someone was tested on a Monday and tested positive, and then retested the following week and still positive, it counted as two positive cases rather than a continuation of the first case.

The recovery rate in Florida is apparently 99.85%.

But you know, fixate on the graphs and bar charts that tell the narrative you want to believe.....just like Per does.

One thing I don’t get is why there aren’t specific age breakdowns readily available

There is generalizations but nothing detailed, also locally here why do they never tell you where the cases are geographically? They say which health region but that’s it.
I don’t know I don’t trust anything or anyone anymore...entirely anyways

rats19 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:43 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 am

rats19 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:30 pm Florida reporting is inaccurate many locations reporting 100% infected when it’s actually under 6% so they are working on getting that corrected

Yeah, and if someone was tested on a Monday and tested positive, and then retested the following week and still positive, it counted as two positive cases rather than a continuation of the first case.

The recovery rate in Florida is apparently 99.85%.

But you know, fixate on the graphs and bar charts that tell the narrative you want to believe.....just like Per does.

One thing I don’t get is why there aren’t specific age breakdowns readily available

There is generalizations but nothing detailed, also locally here why do they never tell you where the cases are geographically? They say which health region but that’s it.
I don’t know I don’t trust anything or anyone anymore...entirely anyways

There is a better location breakdown based on the past 2 weeks. Something more akin to # of cases/regional district. I agree with limiting the location data to the public. In small communities it will lead to rumour mongering and fear if there are active cases, conversely, knowing there are not any active cases in your community will lead to careless apathy.

The location data is on the BC Covid site under Data

http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/disease ... s/covid-19

Something missing among the fear mongering is that BC has done a stellar job of limiting transmission by social distancing, limiting contacts outside the household and hygiene.

Good article in the National Post this morning

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opinio ... b06cf3e56/

Thanks Tops,

from the NP write up, I thought this is important.

Future clusters of cases should not be considered failures, as long as they are managed appropriately with early identification, case and contact tracing, and root cause analysis of the factors involved in transmission.

Everyday the New starts off with how many new cases occurred in BC, I always thought, so what? Until a vaccine is found that can 100% stop the COVID19 strain then there will always be breakouts. Also of these breakouts how many actually require medical assistance?

The Brown Wizard wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:33 am

Mëds wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 am

But you know, fixate on the graphs and bar charts that tell the narrative you want to believe.....just like Per does.

Right.... because anecdotal quotes from no name sources and people trying to explain away the bad news are so much more reliable than the official figures, eh?



Things not developing in the right direction in Oklahoma either....

Per wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:50 am Things not developing in the right direction in Oklahoma either....

Yeah, well, what do you expect ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-covid-19

Oklahoma governor who rejected mask order tests positive for coronavirus

Oklahoma’s governor, Kevin Stitt, has become the first governor in the United States to test positive for the coronavirus.

Stitt, 48, has backed one of the country’s most aggressive reopening plans, resisted any statewide mandate on masks and rarely wears one himself.

And then you have this guy ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 1594917230

Coronavirus: Georgia governor bans cities from ordering people to wear masks

Officials in 15 cities enacted mask rules for public places that are now void

2Fingers wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:33 am Thanks Tops,

from the NP write up, I thought this is important.

Future clusters of cases should not be considered failures, as long as they are managed appropriately with early identification, case and contact tracing, and root cause analysis of the factors involved in transmission.

Everyday the New starts off with how many new cases occurred in BC, I always thought, so what? Until a vaccine is found that can 100% stop the COVID19 strain then there will always be breakouts. Also of these breakouts how many actually require medical assistance?

As long as numbers and hospitalizations are low, contract tracing and quick detection are up to snuff. it is good. One thing to watch is spread through the community (bad) as opposed to limited clusters (tolerable and manageable). The goofs from the coast partying in Kelowna should be shot.

Canada has been doing pretty well, imho. Well, Quebec... not as well as the rest, but still.

If we look at the current deaths / million pop stats for nations and US states, this is what i looks like, if we start with the highest death tolls per million:

New Jersey 1771
New York 1671
San Marino 1238
Connecticut 1231
Massachusettes 1216
Rhode Island 933
Belgium 845
District of Columbia 813
Louisiana 750
Andorra 673
UK 664
Michigan 636
Illinois 588
Spain 581
Italy 579
Maryland 554
Sweden 552
Pennsylvania 550
Delaware 535
France 462
Mississippi 439
USA 425
Indiana 415
Chile 408
Peru 376
Netherlands 358
Brazil 356
Ireland 354
St Maarten 350
Arizona 342
Colorado 303
Ecuador 295
Georgia 292
New Hampshire 290
Mexico 286
Isle of Man 282
Minnesota 278
Channel Islands 270
New Mexico 266
Ohio 265
Alabama 251
Iowa 247
Virginia 235
Canada 234
Panama 227
Switzerland 227
Florida 218
South Carolina 208
Armenia 205
Nevada 203
Montserrat 200

... and then all the others.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

LOL, only fools look at horribly age skewed death stats.

Quebec's main issue was its early Spring Break from school when many travelled to Europe and the US bringing home the virus and from there it spread throughout the Province and most concerning, its senior homes.

Topper wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:07 pm LOL, only fools look at horribly age skewed death stats.

My thoughts exactly and I'm known to get somewhat OCD about numbers...

Holy crap Per! Ton of effort. Nice work. I don't believe in the accuracy of the sources either, sorry.

99.85% of infected people have recovered. Why is the world shutdown till a vaccine is developed?