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[Mickey107]

Really looks like Justin is the one giving the advise here, mmm

[damonberryman]

We need to stop this dickhead before he can do something awful. Hitler started out as a racist buffoon that intelligent people said first of all that he could never go anywhere.

As per usual, whoever mentions Hitler first loses the political debate.

You lose.

You are an idiot with a talent for appearing more aware than you really are. Go into the ad business Strange. They will appreciate your clever one liners. You stand on the side and spew passive aggressive venom. Come have a beer with me and try to run your cute shite.

[Cornuck]

Come have a beer with me and try to run your cute shite.

Ok... dial it back a bit... that's as close to a threat as we need to get. It's summer - everyone relax, go outside and take a deep breath.

[Aaronp18]

Really looks like Justin is the one giving the advise here, mmm

Yeah, he's telling Barack how to claim refugee status after the election because of his Muslim heritage.

[Mickey107]

Really looks like Justin is the one giving the advise here, mmm

Yeah, he's telling Barack how to claim refugee status after the election because of his Muslim heritage.

[griz]

Mondi,

Putting aside the sexism of that comment (which I shouldn't), do you think someone who makes comments like that on the record is the kind of person who should be making decision involving the US Armed Forces? Seriously, think about that.

Do you prefer people who lie to you with a smile? Who claim everything is just fine like Obama is doing these days? His latest crap is "America is already great".

Look, you and I both know it is rude and presumptuous to make assumptions in debate. But, I will admit to being a person you might label an Atheist.

Walks like a Duck...

If you want to believe in things for which there is absolutely not one shred of objective evidence, be my guest.

Do you mean like the big bang? It was created out of nothing apparently. How is that possible? There's no evidence for this "nothing".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kDdVQvrBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaN8Sy-n5zk

But your belief based on faith (and ignorance) does not have as much value as information based on observation and recorded data. If you don't "believe" in evolution, I don't think I can help you.

Thank you for your opinion. I do not agree. I think you mistake me for a religious extremist. I do not belong to any religion but I do believe in a creator and/or a keeper. Your claim is that science is more valuable than whatever it cannot be applied to. Again, I disagree. For example, I think life is more valuable than science.

Your links to Richard Dawkins can be debunked if you do some more research. His openly stated goal is to rid the world of religion. Pretty hard to be impartial when you have an agenda.

Do you believe in the death penalty, be honest?

No, I don't believe in the death penalty.

The second part of your post is utter nonsense.

Why?

Bro, this goes WAAAAAAAYYYYYY beyond political correctness. Slavery (and ownership of black people) was a thing.

More PR policing?

Ok Griz, how is he going to make Mexico pay? Has he even provided one suggestion? Watch John Oliver's piece and try to come up with how it could happen? No matter who pays for it.

I don't know how myself. But Trump has said that he would make Mexico pay many times. I would think he would have some tools available to him as POTUS. Maybe Nafta will be axed?

John Oliver is an establishment shill.

And to be clear, John Oliver's show is meticulously researched.

Debunked : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk9SgoVh2Cw

I don't believe or disbelieve in mass illegal immigration. What I know, is that building walls is a weird, divisive, racist and dangerous thing to do (see, Israel).

Walls are weird to you? Avoid ceilings. Walls are often divisive. Isn't that frequently their purpose though? A wall does not discriminate by race. Walls are dangerous to whom? The ones trying to climb over them?

The point I was making, and I know that you know this, is that if one's belief in religion is the basis to oppose abortion (i.e. thou shalt not kill) it is a complete logical fallacy to then turn around and support the death penalty.

My opposition to the death penalty is rooted in the American (and Canadian) tradition of wrongful conviction.

My opposition to the death penalty is that I don't like the act of murder.

My opposition to Abortion is not religious duty. It's because I don't like the act of murder.

[Puck]

Pretty hard to be impartial when you have an agenda.

Isn't this the problem on both sides of this debate?

[griz]

Pretty hard to be impartial when you have an agenda.

Isn't this the problem on both sides of this debate?

I don't have an Agenda. But I think your point is valid when you encounter some of the religious creationists that do have an agenda. Religion has confused the world but that does not mean there is no creator or spirituality. Scientism has confused the world but that does not mean true science holds no value.

[Puck]

...But it's also about repealing gay marriage, Roe vs Wade, policing tactics, health care, the 'attack on christianity' and other social issues...

I think much of the West is fascinated by the lack of separation between church and state in the US. It's disturbing, but fascinating, and more than a little ironic.

YOU’RE... "disturbing and ironic".

(seems you feel “religious” folk should not have a say in their society)

(also seems you do not understand “Separation of church and state”)

Wow Doc... Don't think I've ever seen you lose your cool before. Sorry, if I hit a nerve.

Huh?

As usual I hit someone over the head with the truth... calm, cool, collected as always.

Now you're going to want to explain what you really meant.

But don't blame me, look at what you chose to respond to... and what you wrote.

You get wut you get bro...

You are very clever at this game, Doc. I'll give you that. Your response to my post was:

"YOU’RE... "disturbing and ironic"."

That read very much like a school-yard retort, but internet posts routinely fail to convey the author's intended tone. My bad. You did not lose your cool. I retract the comment.

Now, let's see... I'd better not explain myself or you'll say "I told you so." Oh well.

If my post was insulting, I apologize. I could see how it might be taken that way. How about if I replaced disturbing with worrisome? Everyone deserves a say in their society, I agree. As for religion and policy, how would you feel if your political representative made a decision that appeared to be influenced by a faith to which you don't subscribe?

Anyway.. this discussion is the under-card to the main event.

[Strangelove]

Your response to my post was:

"YOU’RE... "disturbing and ironic"."

That read very much like a school-yard retort, but internet posts routinely fail to convey the author's intended tone. My bad. You did not lose your cool. I retract the comment.

My tone was conveyed in the bracketed part that followed that sentence.

Face it, the only reason you were taken aback was because the comment on which I called you out

... was indeed in bad taste.

If my post was insulting, I apologize.

AGAIN, I was not personally offended... no need to apologize to me personally.

I could see how it might be taken that way.

Well that's a good sign one supposes.

How about if I replaced disturbing with worrisome?

Then I'd respond with:

YOU’RE... "worrisome and ironic". (followed by bracketed clarification)

Everyone deserves a say in their society, I agree.

Well that's a good sign.

As for religion and policy, how would you feel if your political representative made a decision that appeared to be influenced by a faith belief system to which you don't subscribe?

It happens all the time.

[Strangelove]

We need to stop this dickhead before he can do something awful. Hitler started out as a racist buffoon that intelligent people said first of all that he could never go anywhere.

As per usual, whoever mentions Hitler first loses the political debate.

You lose.

Come have a beer with me and try to run your cute shite.

Oh how cliché!

The "democrat" loses the debate and then threatens violence!!

And no doubt he considers it to be "righteous anger"

Now run along you "goosestepping moron" until you learn how to behave in a civil debate...

[Strangelove]

There are many who do not believe in abortion. I am one of them. Those are humans being killed and it's not just my opinion.

Do you believe in the death penalty, be honest?

OMG Mondi just placed unborn children in the same category as Capital criminals!

The point I was making, and I know that you know this, is that if one's belief in religion is the basis to oppose abortion (i.e. thou shalt not kill) it is a complete logical fallacy to then turn around and support the death penalty.

Oh so it's okay to place unborn children in the same category as Capital criminals

... as long as you imagine everyone who is against abortion must be against Capital Punishment?

Wake the fuck up Mondi, there are very few "thou shalt not kill" Old Testament folks in America.

Pull your head out of your backside and grab a copy of Christianity Today.

You're attacking Trump on political correctness.

'I'm attacking trump on his lack of judgment in saying shit like "my African American" and his 'dog whistle" politics. As if Trump doesn't know that saying stuff like that won't curry favor with the David Dukes of the world.

Ummm the "African American" to whom the remark was directed wasn't offended (and he's not a Trump supporter).

"David Dukes of the world" ... you're making a mountain out of a molehill as usual.

I don't believe or disbelieve in mass illegal immigration. What I know, is that building walls is a weird, divisive, racist and dangerous thing to do (see, Israel).

OMG wot a schmuck, building that wall was the smartest thing Israel has ever done!

"racist"

Yes Doc, the Apartheid Wall is fabulous. As far as illegal walls go, it is just the tops.

Your use of the word "Apartheid" reveals your ignorance (and the fact you are emotionally vested).

The Barrier has resulted in an amazing reduction in the number of schoolbus bombings = smart.

Although I still have no idea why you chose to compare it to Donald's wall.

(could it be that you are obsessed with the plight of the palestinians... and the fact Donald likes Israel)

UMMMM... Griz agreed with you that Trump wants to register muslims

... and listen: Your link proves Trump did not say that.

You're not making any sense.

I thought you learned a long time ago to stay out of conversations in which you are emotionally vested.

(that's basically what you said once upon a time no?)

Again good Doctor, you act as if you're some of sort neutral, objective observer. But, really, when have we not known your position before you open your mouth?

You have never been able to comprehend my position due to the fact your emotions get in your way.

He's an arrogant, narcissistic whose success is built on his father's money and bullying.

And Hillary isn't an arrogant narcissistic bully??

Good gawd, get some help Mondi...

I've maintained all along, the fact that Hillary is not a great alternative is not a defence to supporting a maniac like Trump.

Ummmm they're... both... "maniacs".

What part of this do you not understand.

[Strangelove]

TOP 10 REASONS HILLARY CLINTON SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT:

https://regated.com/2016/07/top-10-reas ... president/

Seriously great points, but I found this part hillarious:



Hellary puts on her black accent for her black audience in Selma, Alabama in 2007.

See her reading directly from the script: "I don't feel no ways tired, I come's too far!"

HAHA the head-shaking finger-wagging brief-pausing business... I thought it was MLK for a minute

ROFLMFAO!!!

[Strangelove]

This is an excellent video on how the establishment (Dems + Repubs + media) is coming crashing down:



It's 41 minutes long so I doubt many here will watch, but if you do, trust me it gets much better toward the end

(be prepared to ride the volume levels, but it's worth it)

Crooked Hillary has been exposed.... the system is rigged and Bernie supporters are as mad as hell.

I keep getting this weird feeling that Hillary will be forced to drop out (blame health issues?)

... and Bernie will come back to win this thing.

Otherwise the Donald is going to be our new king for sure imesho.

[griz]